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    I’ve been reading messages from SaLuSa pretty much the day they came out since July of this year. In the Sept. 30th channel, SaLuSa mentions there will be a change of transportation and also another post mentions how the economy will have to collapse for there to be redistribution of cash for all of the countries? Here’s my question…Why does all of that matter when we’re all going to be ascended? Why do they mention there not being an issue of hunger when there will be disclosure on earth, period? Also, how can the dark ones interfere with what they are doing? I’ve also read from SaLuSa that they have complete control over the situations, why worry about telling exact dates if they control it either way? I realize they want to protect the people as much as possible…But why allow all of these catastraphies? Couldn’t the “End Times” started sooner? Please help. I’m curious and i love to expand my knowledge on this subject, because the ones i speak of this to are not awakended including my mother, she doesn’t believe a word i say about this and showing her the mass gathering’s of UFO’s and even the Norway Spiral she said was photoshopped. Is it not her time to learn about this subject yet?

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  1. #1 spedman
    October 10, 2011 pm31 10:02 pm

    first question… because this particular type of ascension is suppose to be the first of it’s kind.. try going back to earlier salusa messages ( i forget which dates since i have been reading them for around 3 years now..sorry) Smile you will find where he explains that we are to ascend in our bodies to become a new type of being… “normal” ascension is not like that apparently Smile so this is something that after disclosure and contact will take some time,, so in the transition period we will still need 3d type things to survive. 2nd question……….. the issue of hunger wont be a problem as apparently also their technology is advanced to the point where ..and i know this sounds weird but they have matter replicators that can make any and everything we will need. yeah i know… sounds like star trek but that’s what salusa says. 3rd question. it’s not that the dark ones really interfere with them it’s that theres this thing called free will which works for them as well as us.. it sux in a way because in saying that, the dark ones can do what they want. it on the outside looks like the higher beings dont care for us but because of universal laws are only allowed to interfere in our behalf to a certain extent and what they can do is only allowed by source. so basically that all falls under this whole 3d existence being a school of learning for us… meaning right and wrong in a 3d life only exist for us to learn from. so some in this lifetime are learning what its like to be… well… evil and some are on the path of learning to be good. there really is no death we are eternal so we use these bodies like uniforms for the school of life. sorry if i rambled a bit on that one but it can get a little mind boggling after a bit trying to explain it or understand it for that matter lol. 4th question the reason no dates are given is and always has been a real tough one for me to deal with… just look at a lot of my post in the past and you can see that lol. but for shits and giggles i’ll give it a go lol . apparently no dates are given because there are so many timelines that are possible and the dark ones can interfere with them by threats to our world and the people on it that giving one in next to impossible and would or could do a lot of harm… you might say to me now “well you just said death isn’t real so what difference would that make”?? well the thing is a lot of souls here are here for the purpose of ascension and if a lot of their bodies are killed off then that would mean a huge waste. ok yeah thats the best i can do for ya on that question …sorry lol. 5th question falls under freewill/not being able to interfere as much… they have however said that their allowed to ease the size or magnitude of these catastrophes. now some here might tell you differntly ok and thats cool i wont say their wrong but from what i have read about salusa i think i pretty much covered what he has said. theres a whole lot of channelers out there and some of the messages are different. i myself think they are because i believe everyone is at a different level in all this… so they need a different type of explanation and or their path requires it to unfold differently. that all goes back to living in an infinite universe with infinite possibilities of outcomes. …i hope this helps you i did the best i could. love and light to you . Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart

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  2. #2 SunRaymond
    October 10, 2011 pm31 10:42 pm

    There is about to be a new government(s) based on global untiy and freedom for all…and wealth will be fairly distributed to all people. Why do we need it you ask? It is only temporary. Ascension is a process that is taking place over time…starting now. Until the planet Earth is fully ascended…there will be people who are not ascended. However, to survive, they will need to be of a high vibration. The new systems being implemented will serve those who are not currently/yet ascending, but is of a high enough vibration to remain on Earth. Until they finally ascend…they will be rapidly raising their vibrations as the new systems allow them to…because the new systems are supportive of Joy, Love, and Freedom. There is coming a point when all darkness (low vibrations) will be gone, but all will not be ascended at that particular time…hence high vibrational systems that work for those people until they are finally ready to ascend as they are well pass the vibrations of the 3rd Density…and so is Earth. If they do not ascend by the time Earth is fully ascended then they will have to relocate to another world which will be of the 4th Density…because after Earth ascends completely, it will be of the 5th Density. Those 4th Density souls will not have to leave by so called “death” like the 3D souls will. Souls of the 4th Density can leave in ships or some other transportation if they do not eventually shift into 5D before Earth does. Do you understand? By density I mean dimension. But even the term dimension is not accurate. Density is a level of vibration of a person or place. A dimension is a place within a Density. A little confusing but just read it closely and you will understand.
    What catastrophies are you perceiving? (don’t answer that)
    There is no such thing as a catastrophe. What you term “hunger” will not be fully dealt with until the mass landings…or at least until the new systems are in place…soon. The new technology combined with our efforts will ensure everyone in all places is fed. As of now…those so called “suffering” from hunger will be playing out the karma they decided to clear through that circumstance. It was their choice…and as far as their soul’s are concerned…they are not hungry.
    Yes pretty much everything is within the GFL’s “control”…but you must realize that it is actuality within our “control”. They act as we as a collective act. We get what we are ready for. It is the humans that set their own specific dates…both collectively and individually. Suppose SaLuSa give a specific date right now…
    That date will be true for some people and they will experience it on that day…but others will mistakenly or on purposely shift themselves into another timeline/parallel reality where it does not happen on that date. There are a multitude of reasons why specific dates cannot be given…and so it is.
    The so called “End Times” are already here…as in the End of time, and the beginning of eternity within this reality. This is the End Times. The dark ones cannot interfere any longer…but they can try. With enough information they can strategize…and try to resist…but it can no longer happen. However, they still have a little “control”. And by control I mean that they only think they have control. But they don’t. It is the illusion of control that they have and has had. The collective consciousness of this civilization are the ones really in control…and we are doing the dark ones a favor. We are taking away from them their illusions. Now the Earth humans are waking up to their own power…and they are changing their reality. The illuminati (those who control) are the result of humanity’s gravitational pull of their own collective consciousness. Like will attract like. As long as humans stay focused now and attract other humans into focusing on Light, then there is no way the dark can interfere. Because now the Light is interfering with the dark.
    Your mother is vibrating at the 3D level. She will choose her own timing to “awaken”. For now just let her be…for she will believe her own eyes before she believe you. In the near future she will be given chaces to level up…the choice is hers. And by the way, she has already made the choice. So have you!
    Prepare yourself! A new day is upon us!
    -SunRaymond

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  3. #3 SunRaymond
    October 10, 2011 pm31 10:49 pm

    WoW Spedman…I started working on my post before you even posted yours…and now that I post mine…I see that you’ve posted yours. Good! So now this guy has 2 kinda similar perspectives to read. LoL! Wink

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  4. #4 azangyalat
    October 11, 2011 pm31 6:16 am

    To put it in short: We have to be the one to get to a high enough frequency to meet them. If they help too much it would make victim conscientious even stronger. The game is free will. Otherwise we will never learn. I think if they come too early we would never ascend because we would be relying on them. There is no such thing as innocent victim.
    In one level or another we have all helped to create this matrix. Even if you just let it happen. Time to create heaven in the here and now!

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  5. #5 dreamwalker
    October 11, 2011 pm31 9:24 am

    Great posts guys!

    I see the chaos formula as this:

    Thunder Heart Sun

    “Disasters” are a part of “chaos” which is a part of this formula.

    The Law of One describes the freewill thing – check it out!

    We have to be a little careful about divisive ideas of dark/light since they can needlessly get people’s knickers in a knot.

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  6. #6 Gordon
    October 11, 2011 pm31 11:18 am

    Some good answers so far, I just thought I’d add my own perspective.

    As far as catastrophes, according to Matthew there will not be any major extinction-level catastrophes, just smaller localized ones. These local catastrophes are cocreations of the relevant souls and Gaia and are massive triggers for soul growth, since there is a huge release of emotion and an outpouring of compassion. It shifts the planetary energies and that shifting is necessary preparation for Ascension.

    Ascension itself refers to both the Earth’s gradual transition and to transitions in individual souls. The Earth is going gradually from 3D to 4D and ultimately the fifth density. I am not sure that we have a clear idea on how long the Earth is to remain in fourth density. When Earth is in fourth density, there are still physical needs and physical bodies. The key difference is the vibration of consciousness. We are different, and we collectively understand our nature as souls and our oneness. Love dominates and negative vibrations are less intense. The physical world is more light-filled as well.

    Ascension can refer to this gradual transition of the Earth, but also there is a process of ascension that applies to souls and their physical bodies. Some souls will ascend directly into light bodies, and SaLuSa is a big proponent of this. I think there is also the possibility of moving into fourth density in the physical body and so the future Earth will possibly contain physical bodies and some ascended beings in light bodies. And of course you can also leave the Earth for other planets and realms.

    I think the Galactics do not have complete control over everything that happens. I think they’ve said that they have the power to ensure that the important things happen, meaning Ascension, and they have a lot of resources at their disposal, but as others have said, they are only at this time allowed to intervene from behind the scenes and they are primarily required to allow the drama on Earth to play itself out.

    Keep questioning though… there is a lot of confusion, and part of that is due to the fact that we don’t understand the nature of the wider reality that the Galactics have access to. Also always remember that channeled information is to be taken with a grain of salt, since the psychic connection process is like a staticky radio, it’s imperfect. There are mistranslations and miscommunications. Trust the sources if you resonate with them, but don’t take everything they say as fact. Take the general ideas as guidelines.

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  7. #7 LetsAskQuestions
    October 11, 2011 pm31 4:13 pm

    Thank you for your long response, and to be caring enough to hear my questions out. I have to admit i don’t understand what you mean by the shifting of dimensions on earth. Also, to your answer, in the place all of us souls came from before we decided to come to earth in our present situation, if they are in a place of bliss, why would they need to clear their karma to be in a bad situation? And the dark ones as of now seem to be in a GREAT situation, living in permanent luxery…how is that answering to karma? will they live a next life like the way people in the middle and lower class are living here, or even the 3rd worlds people? Cuz that would interfere with 2 wrongs don’t make a right. I’m still very confused. But i have changed my ways prior to knowing about ascension, and i believe that was the reason why i was introduced to it. I have alot of integrity. I wouldn’t steal a penny…I do not judge anyone when i used to have comments about overweight people or people that i considered to be nerds…They have free-will, and they are a soul just like me. I don’t judge anyone anymore, and it is now seeming to be coming natural to be the best human being i can possibly be. I still have a lot of questions, but thank you for your help! Love & light to you and all of your family.

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  8. #8 LetsAskQuestions
    October 11, 2011 pm31 4:15 pm

    & thank you to all that have answered me! I have a lot of perspectives to work with now, i truly appreciate all of your help. I will read these over and over again to fully grasp what has been said. Your words have not gone unnoticed. Thank you!

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  9. #9 SunRaymond
    October 11, 2011 pm31 8:44 pm

    You’re most Welcome!
    Some things we understand, some things we don’t…
    That’s why we embrace the Great Spirit of All That Is, because it understands everything. Sun

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  10. #10 spedman
    October 11, 2011 pm31 10:57 pm

    i am gonna try to help out in what you say in #7 look at life for real as a school ok? a soul comes to the 3rd dimension school which is “earth high” lol… to simply learn “duality” aka right and wrong…. and karma is like deducting points off your grade.. so to put it bluntly the more you F up the more points get taken off your grade and well that can work for either right or wrong/good or evil… i know that sounds weird but you could say… if you weren’t evil enough this time then you come back to learn how to be more evil lol….. same thing applies to being good. it’s all simply lessons in school it really really is that simple. and the wilder part is….. you grade yourself after each life lesson… that’s what people mean by you choose to come here all on your own. from this 3d standpoint you would say “hell no i aint coming back here” but the reality is once you go back up. your understanding of why you keep coming back down is revealed to you by yourself. the whole point of all these lessons is to eventually become one with source again….. and to accomplish that as an individual you have to experience every aspect of life that source already is. my own theory is that source created all life for one simple reason… he/she was lonely and like a lonely individual sometimes does ..creates an imaginary friend to compensate for that loneliness. that sounds kinda sad but well…. that’s just my theory. i hope this helps some more. love and light Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart

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  11. #11 Gordon
    October 12, 2011 pm31 8:36 am

    Karma takes a while to come back to you, so the cabal are accumulating karmic debt. They represent the service-to-self path. They will have a long road to haul once they convert over to the Light, and many will have to serve for many long lifetimes to balance out the karma they are taking on now.

    There is some debate about whether karma is a blind, cause-effect process, or if at a soul level, a choice is made on how to balance karma. I tend to believe that when a soul decides to incarnate, there is some planning involved and that includes what karmic situations one will take on. If that is true and if service-to-self operates at the soul level (as I believe it does for deeply evil beings), they may not take on karmic lessons as souls of Light do. But their path will finally take them to repentance. It is said that the service-to-self path is much longer and harder than the service-to-others path.

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  12. #12 Gordon
    October 12, 2011 pm31 8:43 am

    Shifting of dimensions on Earth is not easily understood or explained. There are many different explanations of what the Shift means with respect to dimensions/densities/reality.

    The important thing is that a Shift is happening… and we don’t know what form it will take. Different channeled sources seem to contradict each other. Will it be a gradual shift or a sudden one? Will we be in physical bodies or Light bodies? Will there be destruction on the physical level, and if so how much?

    Will ETs help with the process and if so how much? The future is still being created, so when it comes to the future, there is not going to be a definitive answer. And there is a lot of room for interpretation in the answers given by the various channels. I say let’s just keep an open mind about it all and try to use what we’ve learned from all the various sources to understand what is happening as we go through this tumultuous time… and not assume that it will manifest in any particular way.

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  13. #13 LetsAskQuestions
    October 12, 2011 pm31 11:28 am

    Thank you for your answer, but as it always work, answers to questions always arise more questions. :l oh well. That’s the process of learning i guess. Soon when i gather all my thoughts I’m going to post another questions contribution. Thanks for your help every1, i hope your questions helped others who were wondering the same thing as I did. it’s got over 500 views, i’m sure it helped more than just me Razz

    But one more thing…I know i’m not supposed to be aware as my past before earth, but my life is terrible and something always seems to happen after another. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. Yet i’m always putting my mother and my son before myself. So am i on a service to others path? And does this mean that i was a bad person in my life before this? Where does ascension play in all this? And was i on earth with a physical body before the life i’m at now?

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  14. #14 Gordon
    October 13, 2011 pm31 6:50 pm

    Tom, it sounds like you are on a service-to-others path. That does not necessarily mean you took the service-to-self path in past lives, although it is often said that part of the soul’s journey on Earth is that we have played all the roles, dark and light, through the reincarnation process. Before we started this, we did not necessarily know the difference.

    I can’t answer whether you personally were on Earth in a physical body prior to this life, because although some of us have many past lives here on Earth, some are new to the Earth. If you feel like a “regular person” then it’s likely you have been reincarnating on Earth for many long centures or millenia. Those who really feel different and are very nonconformist are possibly what are known as “star seeds”. These are souls of extraterrestrial beings who have incarnated on the Earth in these times, either to help with the Ascension process or for their own personal reasons.

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