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Message from SaLuSa for 23 November 2011

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    People power is growing and what you are seeing around the world is how successful you can be when you group together in a common purpose. It may take time to achieve complete success, but once you set the ball rolling its momentum will carry it forward. Governments will take note of your demands or ignore them at their peril. You have created the conditions that allow us and others to come to your aid, and naturally we work behind the scenes, and our influence helps direct activities in a way that is beneficial to you. As you know we monitor what is happening now, and also what is planned by the dark Ones. We endeavour to set you on a path that is the least volatile, and likely to avoid violent confrontation. The more the authorities clamp down on peaceful demonstrations, the more support they gain. The world population is waking up now as to how it has been enslaved for eons of time, and will not cease its claims for change until the people’s sovereignty is returned.

    So the fight goes on, with the Lightworkers bringing more and more Light to Earth that is raising the vibrations to new heights. Be assured everything is on course as planned, and the point has been reached where some firm action is to take place. Our allies work hard but need our support from time to time to achieve the targets we set them. As previously indicated we would like to see a step forward by the end of the year, that will open the way for a greater leap forward. At all times use your intuition where you are personally concerned, and where you see a need to take steps to protect yourself against the outcome of any action taken. We are thinking in terms of possible food shortages, and power interruptions that may in some areas temporarily inconvenience you. Bear in mind that in the near future we will be much closer to you, and will most likely be able to directly assist you. No problems that you experience will affect you for very long, as they have been anticipated well in advance and allowed for.

    You are beginning to realize that in spite of the dire forecasts of catastrophe coming with the end times, so far there has not been anything like that prophesied and you can take credit for the changes that have taken place. Over a long period of time you have successfully worked hard to raise the vibrational levels, and that has overcome the need for drastic changes. Although cleansing and physical changes are still required, instead of dramatic wide scale ones they have become more localized. When we can join you we will work together, and make short work of the challenges that face you. Much of the cleansing does not even require us to be on Earth, and can be readily carried out directly from space. Indeed, we have done that for quite a long time, which is why some of your major mishaps have only caused you limited inconvenience. In the era of nuclear tests that polluted your atmosphere, we were responsible for clearing it away.

    We have much admiration for you all inasmuch that you took on the challenge of duality, knowing it would be a an extremely hard experience. It is only now that many of you have awakened to your true identity, and the fact that you are not your physical bodies but Beings of Light. After thousands of years and many lifetimes, you have found your ability to set your intent on what you really want, and that you are not dependent on any other person. You no longer have to accept being enslaved as your lot in life, and more and more of you are taking responsibility for your lives. In time you will become totally independent and allowed the freedom to choose your own experiences, and that day is not that far off. It is a matter of lifting yourself up so that you become a Being of the higher realms, and Ascension is part of that journey.

    For the time being take the problems of your everyday world in your stride, knowing that they are a means to an end which will see you enter a new period of experience. You will not need to go through lengthy recovery periods, as the work of rebuilding will be very quick. By then we will have arrived on Earth, and together we shall prepare the stage for the closure of the cycle of duality. We of the Galactic Federation have been long prepared for the part we are to play very shortly, and we know that generally speaking you are ready to join us. The consciousness levels of many of you has reached the point that makes you sufficiently aware, that you understand the higher purpose for Man and work towards that end.

    The coming year will be one of immense achievements, not least of all the breaking down of the barriers that have kept you apart. Whether it be because of political, religious, or racial reasons, the natural inclination of Man is to be benign and peace loving. As a stop will be put to war and the threat of war, you will be able to work together without being in a state of fear, and trust between people will return. Justice will also return and where possible all acts of injustice perpetrated against innocent people, will be made good. We know that many of you have been the victims of fake charges, and if you are still in custody or imprisoned, you will be released.

    Politics will change so much that there will be no place for bribery or corruption, and honesty and transparency will ensure that you can have full faith in those elected. We have already approached those politicians who are of the Light, and can be totally trusted to have your best interests at heart when they are appointed to the interim governments. There is a lot to do but the planning has been going on for quite a long time, and those who will work with us are trusted and know what is expected of them. In future the political system will operate differently, and you will have much more influence as to what will take place, and it will work for the people.

    Dear Ones, your wait will soon be over and the past will seem just like a bad dream. Life will be quickly transformed into one that is enjoyable, and at last fulfils your expectations. Already there is a calmness entering some people’s lives as the new energies take effect, and a knowing that beneficial changes are in the air. Keep your focus well ahead and do not let the present chaos get to you, as it will not last anywhere near as long as you might expect.

    I am SaLuSa from Sirius, and thank all of you that have put in the effort to bring the Light to Earth, and one day you will find that is what you came for.

    Thank you SaLuSa.

    Mike Quinsey.

  1. #1 Laurinda
    November 23, 2011 am30 9:16 am

    SaLuSa comments that one day this life will all seem like a dream….that will be a day to celebrate indeed!

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  2. #2 Robin.
    November 23, 2011 am30 10:19 am


    It’ll certainly be a good one to WAKE UP from.. that’s for sure! Smile


    “..You are composed of 144 star systems along with being the exact DNA code from God. That is your composition. You exist in what would be considered to be a hologram. It is a self contained, self-realized unit of livingness that responds to your every whim and desire. It is a playing field that you are continually creating. It is not a hologram that is solid and sturdy and standstill – it is a hologram that is changing along with the consciousness of every player that is involved. Each one of you perceives it from a different angle, a different degree, a different variation. That is intentional, that is expansion, and that is God..”


    In Light!


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  3. #3 Laurinda
    November 23, 2011 am30 10:47 am

    Robin: Interesting quote, and I agree fully that Source is expansive—raying-out in all dimensions, all frequencies, all waves! When you think about the “consciousness of every player that is involved” and take into account varying angles of perception, then WHO KNOWS how this Gaian holographic adventure will play out?! Question

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  4. #4 spedman
    November 23, 2011 am30 12:26 pm

    maybe it never plays out?? it just keeps going and going and we just elvolve up and the next life form has its turn at the wheel of misfortune lol. sooooo i’m just a dream myself Question Question Question OMG i’m not real Shock Shock Shock wannnnnnnnnnnnnhhhhhhhhhhh this sux… here i was thinking i was real and i’m just a freakin hologram. i wanna have a word with management now….. this is sooooooo not fair Silly Silly Silly

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  5. #5 Laurinda
    November 23, 2011 am30 12:33 pm

    Hmmm, the Spedman NOT real? Ya coulda fooled me!!! Cool

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  6. #6 kettlnaut
    November 23, 2011 am30 1:37 pm

    Real is an overrated concept. Look at how enslaving it can be when it is confined to this narrow existence of 9 to 5 slavery for a greedy elite that can never be satisfied even when they are far beyond complete in fulfilling their basic needs and human desires.

    I for one am happy that what we are finally waking up to the liquidity of this existence. In my forum postings at the Lunatic Outpost I came across this great article on a recent experiment where physicists were able to coax photons out of the vacuum. This is because the nature of this reality is quite different than our empirical science has led us to believe and it’s a breath of fresh air to see the “traditional” paradigms shattered by more comprehensive understanding.

    So forget real, I want lucid baby!


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  7. #7 Laurinda
    November 23, 2011 am30 2:22 pm

    kettlnaut: I was just reading your comment above and with your Bender gravatar, I can’t help but hear “his” voice in my mind whenever I read your words. Too funny! lol I LOVE Bender’s twisted sense of humor. Beauty

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  8. #8 kettlnaut
    November 23, 2011 am30 3:37 pm

    Yeah me too, as it highly reflects my own he he. He seems to be a very iconic character for internet dorks who like to read forums and blogs (like myself) as I have gotten feedback from a lot of folks that my comments are read by Bender’s voice in their head with that avatar. LOL. Thanks for sharing!

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  9. #9 Kellia
    November 23, 2011 am30 3:40 pm

    [ a 6-minute video ]

    Love and light and change? Yeah sped, I want to take a few things up with management

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  10. #10 LetsAskQuestions
    November 23, 2011 am30 3:40 pm

    If this life we live in will seem like a dream, what will the dreams we already have seem like?

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  11. #11 Laurinda
    November 23, 2011 am30 3:52 pm

    LetsAskQuestions: Maybe THEY will be our new reality! lol Good question though.

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  12. #12 kettlnaut
    November 23, 2011 am30 3:59 pm

    Joe Rogan on reality LOL: (don’t watch if cursing offends you) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K3M8ub0Bqs

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  13. #13 Kellia
    November 23, 2011 am30 4:03 pm

    So what do you all think of the alleged finding of a non-human skeleton in Peru?


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  14. #14 Laurinda
    November 23, 2011 am30 4:24 pm

    Kellia: I have read that the Peruvian people are rather matter-of-fact about ET’s, as there are so many sightings of craft there, just like in Mexico. I think that ET’s have been visiting this planet for eons of time. Native peoples all over this planet tell stories of being related to the Star People. I think it is a fascinating discovery.

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  15. #15 Stick
    November 23, 2011 am30 6:29 pm

    ———–Ascension Clock Again GM… Apotheosis Rising 247!!!—————-

    **Pleiadian Messages 11/23/11**
    Channeler: Greg Giles

    You are not pushed or pulled into traveling certain directions. Your guides, your Angels, and your higher self merely guide you gently on your journey. The avenues you may choose to venture are always your choice, and we of the higher realms honor each and every decision you make. Whether you realize it or not, you always make a decision at every crossroads you reach. Today is a new day, and with it brings new choices to be made by you, the adventurous traveler. We see the paths that lie before you, and if you could see these from our perspective, perhaps you would make a different choice sometimes. Think not of your choices as those of right or wrong, but try to see that all are learning experiences, and it is through these experiences that you move closer to the realization of your goal to once again soar with the eagles of the higher dimensions. Many of you will soon be living this dream, and you have many long and hard years of experiences to show that you have earned it. Try to see the changes around you not as catastrophes in the making, as we have said many times, ascension will be experienced differently by all. Many aspects of the old paradigm must crumble before the new ways can take root from the newly created fertile soils. Take heart that these changes are the trumpeter’s call to you that all you have ever wished for or dreamed about will now be yours forever and ever. Does this sound too good to be true? Do you not feel you are worthy? To believe somehow you are not worthy of the Creator’s gifts is to buy into the illusion of separation. It is time to move beyond these false limitations and remember that the Creator loves you all and wishes you to enjoy everything that he and his Creation offers you. It is the time for this. Nothing is too good to be true.

    Envisioning your new reality you wish to experience will help bring it to fruition and make manifest. You may wish to practice this technique whenever you can make time for this, as this is a very powerful tool in your possession. Making dreams come true is a power you all possess, and very soon you will all be creating solely with the powers of your mind, just as you have always been doing here in the physical, only you will see the immediate manifestation of your effort right before your eyes.

    Events are unfolding at a rapid pace all around you today, and although much still remains unreported by your news media, tell tale signs can surely be seen that your world is changing. Know that all the changes will only lead to good, and know that many powerful minds with hearts of the purest intent are behind these great changes and you will always see these events for their true nature; not something to fear, but something to cherish, as each event brings you one step closer to your glorious destiny, a destination you edge closer to each and every day. You are so very close now. Now is a time for great enjoyment and inner as well as outer celebration. Try not to allow impatience to get the better of you. You have heard many times before that patience is a virtue, but do you feel these words? There are many spiritual virtues, and the learning of each is essential in your growth. Take this time to focus on this important virtue of patience. Have you ever noticed that when you remain patient while waiting for something it seems to come to you faster? Think about this for a moment. Is it your mind just playing tricks on you, or is there a greater universal force at work here?

    Soon we will all walk together again and share a table at meal time. This is the way we all lived together in your not too distant past. Our architecture has been left behind as a reminder for you that someone else lived among you, a people from the stars. The time has finally come for you to remember your Star Families as we celebrate in grand reunion. This will happen soon. Can you imagine what you will feel inside to see our great ships come down from the skies to greet you, our ‘long lost’ but never forgotten family once again? We are currently in preparation for this inevitable day. We are working diligently around the clock completing all the final tasks to enable our vast fleets to touch ground and allow our many crew members to once again feel Mother Earth beneath our feet. We look so forward to this experience, more than you may know. Many of us have lived on your planet before, and this grand event will not only be an exciting reunion with our Star Family members, but for many, a wonderful homecoming. There are those of you who will also be experiencing a home coming very soon, as many of you have lived on other planets before, and even call one of these worlds your home today. All your cherished memories of your past will come rushing back to you in the days ahead, and many of your exciting experiences may come as a bit of a surprise to you at first. You are all great beings who have seen and experienced much throughout your long history. Who you are, where you come from, and what great power you possess will be remembered fully by you, and should make for quite an exciting experience for you all. We can hardly wait for this day.

    Until then, we suggest you try to enjoy these wonderful and exciting last days of duality, and focus on the marvelous days ahead, the first days of your new and eternally blissful lives. ~You are all loved dearly. We are your Star Family.

    ~WeAgreedToBeHereLongAgo777——————– Star Lion Star

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  16. #16 Kellia
    November 23, 2011 am30 6:51 pm
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  17. #17 Laurinda
    November 23, 2011 am30 7:01 pm

    Kellia: Wow, with the US aggression over so many years and so many wars, our karma ought to be especially knarly.

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  18. #18 padmakumara
    November 23, 2011 am30 7:11 pm

    The following extract from SALUSA’s Message is great.This is the situation I have been looking for.In a South East Asian Island I lived really really need this change.We are anxiously waiting.Please Please act ASAP.
    “Justice will also return and where possible all acts of injustice perpetrated against innocent people, will be made good. We know that many of you have been the victims of fake charges, and if you are still in custody or imprisoned, you will be released.

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  19. #19 Admiral2012here
    November 23, 2011 am30 7:29 pm

    …Pad >>> We know that many of you have been the victims of fake charges, and if you are still in custody or imprisoned, you will be released Yes


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  20. #20 LetsAskQuestions
    November 23, 2011 am30 7:33 pm

    “Your happiness is my happiness; and your pain, is my pain” Beautiful quote. We are all in this together, let’s love one another like family, because that’s what we are; afterall!

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  21. #21 LetsAskQuestions
    November 23, 2011 am30 7:40 pm

    SaLuSa FINALLY said the term “very shortly”! that’s pretty uplifting.

    And what about the people who had done wrong, but only became imprisoned because of laws that shouldn’t be there? Such as the patriot act and invasion of privacy? If someone got arrested for a Grow Op, due to invasion of privacy, would they still be imprisoned, or released?

    And anyone think that Ron Paul is one of the men SaLuSa speaks of?

    We need to get rid of the double-knot connection between the government and the big corporations that are in bed together. Once that happens, we’ll get REAL fair, and balanced government officials.

    Did you guys notice how fast 2012 is approaching? I swear i feel like it was just a couple days ago that Osama “Died”, and i remember being in high-school like it was yesterday. Let this soak in everyone’s head, 2012 is in 39 days!

    Some amazing things are going to happen in 2012! Believe it. There’s not a single doubt in my mind. Yes

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  22. #22 Admiral2012here
    November 23, 2011 am30 7:43 pm



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  23. #23 Laurinda
    November 23, 2011 am30 7:55 pm

    LetsAskQuestions: Yup, I hope that SaLuSa is referring to Ron Paul. Yes Yes Yes

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  24. #24 Admiral2012here
    November 23, 2011 am30 8:09 pm

    …LetsAskQuestions = LAQ Cool

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  25. #25 Laurinda
    November 23, 2011 am30 8:16 pm

    Addie: What’s up? Question

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  26. #26 Admiral2012here
    November 23, 2011 am30 8:20 pm

    …Laurinda, my boys are in town…and we are just enjoy’n our time Cool

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  27. #27 Laurinda
    November 23, 2011 am30 8:22 pm

    Addie: Coolness! Glad to hear all is well and you are all having fun together. Rainbow

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  28. #28 Admiral2012here
    November 23, 2011 am30 9:32 pm
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  29. #29 Admiral2012here
    November 23, 2011 am30 9:48 pm
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  30. #30 Admiral2012here
    November 23, 2011 am30 9:56 pm
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  31. #31 Admiral2012here
    November 23, 2011 am30 10:17 pm

    …HAPPY THANKS GIVING EVERYONE Smile …I hope you all can enjoy some Ham, mashed potatoes, dress’n w/gravy…pumpkin pie


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  32. #32 Robin.
    November 24, 2011 am30 8:48 am

    BLOSS tries to nail the ‘Pillars of Light’ conundrum:

    B: Once again I bid you a Good Morning. My friends … out there … up there … somewhere … I have been feeling a little confused over the last couple of weeks. I can only be honest in saying that I am concerned regarding our ongoing communications. I do not consider myself childish or disrespectful regarding that which I am to speak of … yet we do need to get something very clear. We have but five weeks left until the end of the year … call me old fashioned … but down here upon Earth when someone promises something to someone … it is considered polite to see that promise through. If one doesn’t, then one tends to lose faith in that which has been promised and one’s Trust in the ‘promiser’ tends to wane a little.

    In MY TRUTH … I FEEL I have done my very best to uphold my position as messenger for you. I have felt both honoured and privileged to do so and without doubt I have found your teachings have assisted me greatly along my pathway. I neither see you or hear you … we communicate telepathically … and our friendship and TRUST has grown deeply over the last six years since we began chatting.

    I KNOW YOU KNOW of which I am to speak . Many would say ‘Let it go’ … but I feel it my ‘duty’ to follow this through. You have spoken a few times regarding ‘Pillars of Light’ appearing in the sky. These pillars will contain much information and energy and they shall be undeniable in appearance … you said. You also said that this shall take place before the year is out. Yes … we still have five weeks and they could appear . How good would that be?

    The thing is … through my eyes chaps … it NEEDS to be … otherwise I will find it very difficult to carry on our conversations. I definitely do not want to stop … why would I? I so enjoy being in touch with you and I KNOW that you have reached so many hearts in your Love. But a line needs to be drawn from where I stand. I wonder if you understand where I am coming from? Or … from where you are … do you see this very differently? From my perspective it is important for me, you and anyone who reads your words that what you say you will deliver …. you do. Otherwise what would be the point in saying it at all?

    So much that you have said has left us soaring high. We have benefited greatly. Yet regarding such things as the Pillars of Light … basically … I am asking you now … are they going to appear to us before the end of the year 2011 … in the way that you said … or are they not? You know how much Love I have for you … yet if it was agreed that I be your messenger down here … then we do need to get this matter sorted. Over to you …

    GF. Over many years now we have asked much of you in the eyes of the beholder. You have diligently performed meetings with us , even when your heart was low. In order for us to BE with you … we too have had to make sacrifices.

    B. In what way ?

    GF. We have had to see you suffer in ways that we had not determined. We have longed for our TRUTH to be given to you as it is …. IN TRUTH … and this is our ‘only way’ in which we desire to be known as … TRUTH GIVERS. And yet … even though we come from a nowhere place … with much at our fingertips, as you would say … we have had to ensure the safety of those of you who reside upon planet Earth and this is our priority no matter what we may have stated …. no matter how this may change how we ‘appear’ to be.

    What we have offered you is what we know of in Love and in TRUTH . We have no hidden agenda … we merely desire with the most profound gesture of Love to assist you in changing your world. In lifting your planet into a place that is of difference compared to that which you have resided upon for many many years of your time.

    And this I/WE have felt . That fact I am not denying. This is my dilemma. Do you not see? ALL that you have shared … all that you have offered has taught us so much … about ourselves. WE have been able to give ourselves hope … because of your assistance in helping us to understand who we are. This side of the coin to me … is undisputable. I would say that I have Unconditional Love for you. What I am asking you is about these pillars. IF THEY ARE GOING TO APPEAR then we have no problem in continuing our communications next year . If they don’t appear then I would need a very good reason for it . I am not undermining you … I am not playing games … it is just that to me … this is VERY IMPORTANT. Let me ask … do you understand why I am saying what I am saying?

    To a certain degree. Yet we would consider our beings to be of concern only for your well being. The ‘time’ factor is not something that has much status in our world of ‘no time’.

    Well the fact is, that in our world the ‘time factor’ has MUCH status … especially regarding things that are promised to take place within a certain ‘time zone’. This is perhaps where our wires are getting crossed. What I don’t get is … if you had said that these pillars were going to present themselves ‘at some point’ … then fair enough …. it is the fact that you said ‘before the year is out’. Do you see the GREAT difference this means to US? We are hanging on by the seat of our pants down here sometimes … YES I KNOW WE VOLUNTEERED TO BE HERE … but that doesn’t mean we KNOW what is going on!! So … again … I ask you … are there plans in place to have this ‘Light show’ before the year is out?



    Thank you! A straightforward answer to a straightforward question . So what happened? What changed?

    The format of timelines. In that … how do we explain?

    I will help you all I can … It doesn’t help that I don’t understand a lot of these things whilst being in this human form .

    Outside of the human form a thought is given and all is understood and yet this is not what we are dealing with at this time. Let us give you what we can.

    In your world you created time. You live by it. What the clock says is how you react. If it is your ‘bed time’… you go to bed. If it is your ‘lunch time’ … you eat … etc etc. Yet around these ‘times’ you can be flexible. You do not always go to bed at 9pm on the dot. You do not always eat at midday. You may have the desire to … yet ‘circumstances’ sometimes make this impossible. We ask you now to consider a ‘time frame’ on a much larger scale . We are not working within a 24 hour day … we are working within 24,000 years or more. Therefore not everything that we plan to take place at a certain time concurs with the many thousands of other aspects involved.

    When we addressed the Pillars of Light to you … it was with every plan/etary intention that what we described WOULD be taking place within the time frame of your Earthly weeks and months that we had brought forth.

    So what got in the way? Oh no! … I feel the answer is ‘You did’.

    And yet not in the manner that you have taken that answer on board. Did you not take it personally instantly Blossom?

    Yes I did. How ridiculous is that!! But then I went straight to the fact that I didn’t want any of us to be the reason that they didn’t arrive or that we got in the way somehow.

    How differently we ‘see things’ from you. You went into blame mode . We know not of blame. It does not exist in our ‘curriculum’ of events! No-one is to ‘blame’. When we say that ‘You got in the way’ … shall we consider another point of view?

    We KNOW that one day … in YOUR TIME … you will say to us ‘Ah! We get it now’ … Until that day we shall continue to be here for you in assistance. To aid you in anyway we can . Yet we must state … WE ARE NOT GOD. We are messengers of Divine Light . WE are not in control of the DIVINE PLAN … YOU ARE! YOU have been entrusted with this section of it. This section being the changing of planetary systems in a way that shall change … the system. YOU … each one of YOU … KNOW your instructions … deep inside you. You KNOW what you came here to do. You do not need us to tell you … yet it was agreed that we may assist in reminding you of these instructions.

    How each one of you … individually … recognize this TRUTH … is what makes the change that you agreed to come here and change!

    AT WHAT TIME YOU CHOOSE to make this change … as individuals … working as ONE … makes a compound reality move from thought to existence. These Pillars of LIght that we spoke about were considered to be a thought … strong enough to be a reality with in ‘your time frame of this year of 2011′. We would say YOU are on the threshold of bringing this reality about.

    Freedom of choice is law. Those that tamper with it are breaking laws that are not to be broken.

    When you sit and watch a movie … you ‘take in’ the story that is presented to you on that screen. You are ‘taken in’ by/with it. You move into that story whether or not it be fact or fiction … for the ‘time’ you are engrossed in its conversation … you become part of it … all else around you fades into a peripheral that is not of interest ‘during that time’.

    However … You take for granted that which is presented. How often do you consider … whilst engrossed … what went on behind the scenes to make that movie ‘appear’ to be the reality it is?

    What you may consider to be ‘real ‘ in some scenes is merely puppetry. What one is ‘scripted’ to say ‘with feeling’ are simply words given to be said and acted out. Yet … one comes out of that movie theatre ‘touched’ by all that went on within it.

    NOW it is ‘time’ to REALLY FEEL what is real and what is not. The more you realize and wake up to the fact that most of what you think is real is unreal … and most of what you think of as unreal is real … the more YOU can create the ‘backdrop’ for such ‘TRUTHS’ as these spoken of Pillars of Light to appear. Not though US ‘pressing a button’ … but by YOU … more and more of you … realizing that you have already created these Pillars Of Light …… long long ago … and set them in a ‘time line’ to present themselves to you in this ‘present moment’. Yet …… until enough of you understand this … you are not creating the ‘energy’ to manifest these pillars that hold information YOU PUT THERE!! YOU put the information that you would need NOW into your imagination of creation way back along the track.

    Do you grasp this concept dearest friends? You put in place before you were of Earth and whilst you were of it in its beginning trials … that which you are to receive from ‘those’times’ NOW. You sent these Pillars of Light ‘out’ … ready to be received /retrieved by you ‘around about NOW’.

    It is only when enough of you ‘remember’ that YOU are the ones that need to ‘bring these Pillars into your reality from whence you sent them’ … that they can be revealed to you as a reality.

    Phew! Somewhere amongst all that … when I read it back .. I know I will have my answer. And somehow … amongst all that … I FEEL better about it all . Yet I do need to read it all back to grasp it in its fullness. Thank you my friends for clearing this matter up. It has been on my mind as this year is rapidly coming to an end and I didn’t want to start the new one with a ‘Goodbye!’.

    I LOVE YOU. Those of us that KNOW of you as our Truth are in so much gratitude to you for being our soul buddies . You have a great day now ya’ hear?

    In Love and thanks.


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  33. #33 seekinganswers
    November 24, 2011 am30 9:19 am

    Poor Blossom. They told her the first time they mentioned the pillars of light that all in the world would be able to see them and they will unmistakenly happen. then it became only those with the ability to percieve would see them, then it became that they came from us and only those who were at the stage to connect, and now they are not coming this year at all. add this to the failed oct 2008 prediction, which was also filled with backtracking excuses.

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  34. #34 Laurinda
    November 24, 2011 am30 9:27 am


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  35. #35 Laurinda
    November 24, 2011 am30 9:30 am

    Bless ol Blossom’s heart and soul! She has stepped up to the plate and served on a worldwide scale. For that I am thankful and I commend her for her courage. As for the crew that she channels, I would be telling them “Sayonara!”.

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  36. #36 DTRANCE
    November 24, 2011 am30 10:09 am

    ANDROMEDA COUNCIL Sun Sun Sun Sun Sun Sun Peace Heart
    A New Beginning
    Upliftment. This painting is a metaphor for Mother Earth

    birthing a new world, in a new dimension.
    To read Andromeda Council published news stories, transcripts, and listen to interviews please go to:

    East China Sea Reptilian Base Destroyed – 6.9 Quake



    Gulf of Aden Reptilian Base Destroyed – 5.0 Quake



    Removing Reptilian Undersea Bases – Middle East & China



    The Facts About Life as a 4th Dimensional Human



    Molecular & Cellular Transformation to a 4th Dimensional Earth Life



    Update on Elenin, Brown Dwarf Tekoma and Nibiru



    Andromeda Council – War with Greys & Draco Reptilians is Won. No False Flag ET Invasion


    To assist and prepare all Earth humans to make the step-up, this “upliftment”, in spiritual awareness & consciousness to the 4th dimension as Earth is about to cross the galactic equatorial plane

    The Andromeda Council has committed many resources, trained people, ships, counselors, advisors in many areas of expertise, to help Earth people through the various stages of adjustment & growth. They will do this by mentoring, teaching and helping Earth humans to evolve emotionally, intellectually, physically, socially & most important spiritually.

    They will remind Earth people of the truth & reality of their own origin as sacred sparks of the Creator / of Creation… as free sovereign souls, free sovereign human beings.

    They will teach Earth people by example: they will use significant, specific acts of love and kindness, some seen & unseen, for the people of Earth… for their cousins, brothers and sisters on this tiny blue world.

    One example of a specific act of kindness is the number of Andromeda Council biospheres / ships they have committed. These ships will use their combined projected force fields to wrap & envelop planet Earth – to minimize the adjustments, the vibrational cause and effects to this planet during its shift into the 4th dimension.

    They will share and remind people of Earth the most important, most powerful ‘force’ in the Universe is: love.

    They will quietly visit Earth and introduce themselves, sharing what their lives are like, who they are, how they live, speaking directly with people on this planet from every walk of life. Very much a reintroduction of old friends and family.

    The time line projected for their contact & visitation:

    As soon as it is absolutely safe for humans on Earth – for our star ‘brothers’, sisters’, and ‘cousins’ to finally be able to visit with us, they will do so. They will keep their promise regarding this commitment they have made. But right now, their number one priority is to eliminate from Earth the remaining less critical, but still dangerous, reptilian underground & undersea bases. Securing the safety & freedom of Earth’s people must come first.

    Especially given the process they, lead by the people from Procyon, currently face in the final clean up & removal of the underground and undersea Reptilian bases located around the globe. Completing this process is a priority to ensure everyone’s safety from this point forward. It is imperative. Therefore, please continue to be patient.

    However, you can be sure, once the people from the planets – Ventra, Nikotae, Toleka & Ritol start to visit us here on Earth… it will be a fun experience for many of us. And it should be an enjoyable education for virtually everyone. The question of whether we are alone or not – will finally be answered.​

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  37. #37 DTRANCE
    November 24, 2011 am30 10:11 am

    A New Beginning…….We of the star systems & planets of the Andromeda Council are your family & friends. We are here to let you know your planet Earth/Terra and all of your people are about to go through major changes, a major stage of growth, a shift-up in vibration, called “upliftment”. It is a completely new vibration, new higher consciousness & awareness, a new existence… for the first time in your planet’s history. Star Sun Star Sun Peace Heart

    It is a cleansing, a rebirth, a transformation. It is a transition. For you on planet Earth – it is a new beginning. Most important, it is simply an evolution.

    Though the process has already begun, somewhat. Earth is about to transform in vibrational frequency from its current 3-D solid matter form existence in the 3rd dimension… into 4D, the fourth dimension/density reality, the vibratory rate one frequency faster than currently on Earth, as Earth’s solar system and planet Earth are about to cross into the galactic equatorial plane zone of the Milky Way galaxy.

    Overall, this new area of 4D, fourth dimensional, space is a place where matter has far less density & weight, an area of much faster & higher frequency energy vibration. It is also a dimension where time will no longer have a hold on Earth humans. From a 4D, fourth dimension, perspective time doesn’t exist… At least not the way Earth presently experiences time.

    In addition, this area of fourth dimensional space also has a ‘black hole’ with highly charged magnetic energies at its core. Earth’s solar system and planet Earth will upon entry of this zone encounter the highly charged magnetic energies of this ‘black hole’ and feel its effects. Some of your Earth scientists, astrophysicists, call this area – a Galactic or Torsion Energy Wave.

    The speeding up of this solar system & its planets including Earth due to the faster & higher frequency energy vibration rate of this area – their upliftment into the fourth density resulting in continued geophysical events and additional changes to planet Earth – these changes are projected to start by mid-October 2011.

    The official beginning of 4D fourth dimensional energy will begin to affect Earth’s solar system on 11.11.11 as it encounters the galactic equatorial plane region – as a universe & galactic wide harmonic frequency – will open and affect this whole area of space.

    Whether people call this phenomenon a ‘stargate’ or ‘portal, this area of faster, higher fourth dimensional energy is real. This historic date of 11.11.11 begins the infusion of 4D dimensional energy onto your planet. It will affect Earth & its people in a positive, uplifting way like never before experienced in your planet’s history.

    The saturation of this higher frequency vibration will continue from the end of 2011, through all of 2012, reaching full strength during the time frame of December 2012, through March 2013 when the final rotation of the 90 degree shift of Earth’s crust happens with the present day East/West orientation of the continents moving into their new North/South orientation.

    These changes are expected to settle down throughout remaining 2013, and will begin the completion of this cycle by the end of October, winding down in December 2013. With 4th dimensional life officially beginning in January 2014.

    During this time every living thing from the largest to the smallest will be offered the opportunity to change, to evolve, into 4D, fourth dimensional life.

    It is expected Earth will begin to settle into its new 4D vibrational existence, its new fourth dimension life, in January 2014.

    Yes, planet Earth will likely go through continued dramatic changes to get there. But these events as life changing they will be to both humans and all life on the planet… These changes are normal and necessary for this process. It is transformation. It is evolution.

    Just like a woman’s body changes, adjusts & expands, Earth too must go through its uncomfortable adjustments, its labor pains, and the momentary intense pain of child birth. Earth too must adjust & prepare herself for this new beginning, for her new life as a 4th density world… A far more colorful, vibrant, & beautiful 4th dimensional world.

    Once Earth is vibrating in the fourth dimension, Earth’s remaining sentient inhabitants, including all humans, will be forever changed. They will manifest a variety of natural, multi-sensory abilities as never before experienced in Earth’s history. These new abilities include: telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, and levitation. For all of transformed humanity – human consciousness, human life, will make a quantum leap in evolution.

    Humans finally experience and learn first hand about the truth & reality of their own soul, about their true spiritual birth essence & origin. 4D humanity experiences a true spiritual life – complete self awareness and cognition, total memory recall, clairvoyance, clairsentience & greater natural harmony with others.

    This will be a complete transformation of your solar system. A complete transformation of the human race on planet Earth. You will now have crystalline bodies, healthy, light filled with virtually eternal life spans. And a beautiful way of living like you have never imagined.

    This time in Earth’s history will begin what many have described as a new age of enlightenment, literal spiritual awareness, living & consciousness, an age of true human renewal…

    back to the origins of what the human race was meant to become. And;

    you of planet Earth, you people will determine your own destiny, you will make your own choices… you will determine your future. No one else.

    But the difference is, from this time forward you, people of planet Earth, now a fourth dimensional race, you will no longer be alone.

    You will now finally truly be reconnected with your cousins, brothers and sisters across the stars in this vast universe full of sentient, intelligent life.

    Usually, in most cases, it’s far more fun if you can reconnect with family you haven’t seen in a while. It should make this particular reconnection with your relatives… a once in a ‘lifetime’ experience, and a new beginning, as you on planet Earth begin a whole new & enlightened chapter in your planet’s history.

    And, you will be able to participate as a trading partner with star systems & planets across the cosmos as Earth joins & becomes part of a far greater galactic federation of planets.

    Welcome to the greater family of humanity thriving across the universe. Mitakyue Oyasin.

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  38. #38 DTRANCE
    November 24, 2011 am30 10:13 am

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    The Mayan Calendar – Welcome to Evolution 2012
    Ancient Aliens – Aliens, Gods And Heroes [S03E15]
    War crime hearing against Bush, Blair begins
    David Icke talks with Luke Rudkowski at Occupy Wall Street
    The 99% #OWS #N17 EPIC MOMENT
    Entheogen: Awakening the Divine Within [Full Film] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56-MBWXzooY&feature=player_embedded
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    Out of body Experience- Preparing to Meet the ET Races
    David Icke – Make of it What You Will.
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  39. #39 Kellia
    November 24, 2011 am30 10:30 am
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  40. #40 Robin.
    November 24, 2011 am30 10:38 am

    Hey.. at least they are starting to use the ‘correct’ terminology.. even if it is one of OURS! ::


    Russia makes ‘First Contact’ with stranded Mars probe:

    (AFP) – 2 hours ago

    MOSCOW — Russia on Thursday announced its scientists had for the first time made contact with its stranded Mars probe Phobos-Grunt, a day after the European Space Agency said it had received a signal.

    “A signal from the probe has been received and some telemetry data. At the moment our specialists are working on this information,” the Interfax news agency quoted Russian space agency spokesman Alexei Kuznetsov as saying.

    Interfax said the signal was received at a Russian station at the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan on Thursday afternoon.

    The European Space Agency said its ground station in Perth, Australia made contact with the probe at 2025 GMT on Tuesday, the first sign of life from Phobos-Grunt since it got stuck in Earth orbit after launch on November 9.

    Russian officials had cautioned earlier this week that the chances were very small of saving the mission, which would require reprogramming the probe to send it off on its trajectory to Mars before the window for its journey closes.

    The probe had the unprecedented mission to land on the Martian moon Phobos and bring a sample of its rock back to Earth, as well as launch a Chinese satellite into Martian orbit.

    ESA said in a statement on its website that the Perth tracking station had also managed to receive a second signal from the probe.

    “The signals received from Phobos-Grunt were much stronger than those initially received on 22 November, in part due to having better knowledge of the spacecraft’s orbital position,” said Wolfgang Hell, ESA’s manager for Phobos-Grunt.

    One of the main concerns after the failed launch is the risk of an uncontrolled descent back to Earth. Officials have said gravity will pull Phobos-Grunt down within months as its orbit slows and becomes lower.

    The spokesman for Russia’s military space forces, Alexei Zolotukhin, said Thursday that it was expected that fragments of the probe would fall to Earth in January or February although the exact date would depend on external factors.

    One expert said that its surprise show of life had generated hope that the probe could be brought down back to Earth safely, rather than any real prospect that it could be moved out of orbit towards Mars.

    “If we are not only able to hear Phobos-Grunt but it is also able to hear us then there is a real chance of ensuring it can make a managed descent from orbit and its fragments plunged into the ocean,” said Yury Karash of the Russian Academy of Comonautics.

    He told Interfax a managed descent would minimise the risk of the probe hitting a populated area on land.

    But he said there was hardly any chance that the probe could fulfil its original mission of going to Mars as its window was essentially closed and it did not have sufficient fuel left.


    Maybe the GFL cruised by and reconnected a few of those loose high-quality Russian wires for them.. or just pointed the Antenna at Perth!


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  41. #41 Robin.
    November 24, 2011 am30 10:40 am


    Love & Light




    Star Smile Star

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  42. #42 Robin.
    November 24, 2011 am30 10:50 am


    Yeah really! Those ‘dudes’ REALLY need to sort out their OWN ‘concepts’ of what ACTUALLY frigging living IN 3D is all about, before then mouthing off with hyper-dimensional intellectual concept-probabilities of what the likelyhood of something ACTUALLY happening here ARE!

    For the first time in a loong time, this one really made me feel like shouting.. “PUT up, or frigging well just 5D SHUT up!”

    5 wks. to go anyway! Most days I go into nature and envisage a 500meter diameter pillar of Golden Light around myself.. pumping it from Source to Gaia’s Heart Crystals and Vice-Versa. I’d LOVE to ectually ‘SEE’ that!

    C’mon! At least just turn on the ‘Fog Lamps’ under that dirty great Mothership for a few minutes then.. at least it would be of some ‘inspiration’ to us stuck down here in 3D ‘rumourville’!!

    Poor old Bloss!


    In (Pillars of) Light!

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  43. #43 Laurinda
    November 24, 2011 am30 11:13 am

    WOW, Mr. Robin from Down Under is really sass-a-frassin’ today. Thanks for the Turkey Day greetings. Well, at our house it is also my mom’s 83rd birthday today. Goin’ to have a big ground turkey meat meatloaf. The frozen bird will have to wait for New Year’s and Speddie will be in charge of cooking that thing! hah! Party Chicken

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  44. #44 spedman
    November 24, 2011 am30 11:20 am

    happy get stuffed like a turkey day wooooooooooo hoooooooo loosen your pants burp real loud and fill up on more yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Silly Silly ROTFL ROTFL Silly Silly

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  45. #45 Robin.
    November 24, 2011 am30 11:23 am

    Yeah.. I don’t often get frustrated by their apparent total frigging ineptitude, but hey.. it is also often pointed out that we are ALL learning from this unique Earth Ascension process.. so why don’t they then just ADMIT that they totally stuffed up on their ‘probability-calculations’.. and thank US for their ‘lessons’ learned, instead of in turn ‘blaming’ US?!

    Ggrrr! 24,000 years indeed.
    What about 1/24,000th of a micro-second then???

    It’s ALL ‘NOW”!!!!

    Smart-arse 5D ‘teachers’ indeed.. Humph!

    “YO!” I feel heaps better after that.. thanks! Smile

    Enjoy the Feast everyone.. Love and Happy B’day to yr. Ma anyways!


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  46. #46 DTRANCE
    November 24, 2011 am30 11:48 am

    BEST – CLEAR, VIDEO UFO FOOTAGE IVE EVER SEEN.! Alien Alien Alien Alien *NEW* Multiple BLAZING UFO’s Captured On Film In Russian Skies-Nov 20/11
    Russian UFO with Second Look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JphkgguhcL0&feature=related
    Incredible UFO’S or Fireworks Burn Over Adygeysk, Russia, November 2011

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  47. #47 Laurinda
    November 24, 2011 am30 11:54 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRtc-k6dhgs “Occupy Wall Street–The Revolution Is Love” Gorgeous video, and I am thankful for the beautiful soul who narrates this video! Heart Rose Heart Rose Heart Peace

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  48. #48 Kellia
    November 24, 2011 am30 12:05 pm

    Notice that for many years, these “aliens” have talked about things that would happen in 2012. Now that that year is nearly upon us we are seeing talk of things happening in 2013, 2014 (DTrance #36) and we have had various messages recently saying it would take decades to have true democracy in the US. And of course, there is Blossom’s latest.

    It’s called moving the goalposts and that is not considered fair play.

    The GF told Blossom: even though we come from a nowhere place … with much at our fingertips, as you would say … we have had to ensure the safety of those of you who reside upon planet Earth and this is our priority no matter what we may have stated …. no matter how this may change how we ‘appear’ to be.

    Ensure our safety? That is an excuse we have heard many times from many sources. Most recently we have heard that crap from the various authorities in the cities where there has been police brutality against the OWS protesters! Brutality in the name of safety, yeah right!. Those of you old enough to remember the Vietnam War might have heard this phrase: “We had to burn the village in order to save it.” And national security has been the excuse for all manner of atrocity.

    Why are they using our safety as an excuse to backtrack on every date something was supposed to appear or otherwise happen, when the non-fulfillment of the prediction means more unsafe occurrences here, such as war and police brutality?

    Maybe if enough ordinary people, especially on battlefields and at protests, saw pillars of light in the sky, we would stop bashing each other long enough to say “Hey, did you see that? Where’d that come from?”

    They are expecting so much from us before they appear, even though we are operating under huge handicaps such as limited consciousness, the need to concern ourselves daily with physical survival even in the best of circumstances, and many, many people in the world have far from the best of circumstances; nowadays if you live in a war zone, you are in more danger as a civilian than as a member of an army. Then there is disinformation and other dirty deeds by the dark side.

    Expecting us to “save ourselves” before they come to help us is like a doctor wanting us to heal ourselves before he administers treatment. It might very well be possible that we can heal ourselves, but then, who needs the doctor?

    Do we really want contact with beings that act this way? As Blossom correctly points out, we expect people to keep their promises or give a good reason why they can’t. And on this planet we don’t think very highly of someone who continually breaks promises then says it is because the recipient of the promise did or didn’t do something. We expect the promise breaker to own it eventually. That’s part of growing up.

    They know the game on this planet. We do operate on the basis of time. It is one of the D’s in 3D. If they are so advanced they should be able to “speak our language” as it were, and be more careful about their time references. You can buy in any language, but you sell in the customer’s language. If they want us to buy what they are selling (their vision of the future) they need to speak to us in our terms. Apparently, they can’t or they won’t.

    Why do we give credence to their Ascension story while making fun of Christian rapture?

    Why do we think some common symptoms of physical or mental illness are some sort of sign of imminent Ascension?

    Why do we think these beings are spiritually advanced when they are still allegedly finishing up a war with the other side? One would think that spiritually advanced beings would have seen the futility of war a long time ago.

    And if they are technologically advanced, don’t they have the means to ensure our safety from whatever fallout their actions may bring?

    They seem to keep saying that they are allowed to intervene only if there is an attempt to use nuclear weapons. Does that mean we should hope for nuclear war to break out so that they will finally get here? The US looks like it is getting in position to start one in the Middle East. I gave you the links yesterday. To hope for such a thing is perverted. I say that to have to hope for perversion in order to bring Love and Light into the world is beyond ridiculous.

    And they have never answered the question I have and I think now that Laurinda knows where I am coming from: On this planet, when two free will entities want opposite results at the same time, who wins, and why? and Isn’t that a denial of the losing party’s free will, which is not allowed? In other words, why are so many people’s desire for peace, prosperity and sustainability being held hostage to the desires of the dark side, which may be plans to eliminate 90% of us?

    I keep saying that they can land and make themselves available to people who want that contact and not try to involve themselves with those who do not want contact. As a member of the Wiccan religion, I understand that concept. We don’t evangelize but stand ready to answer questions of those who want to ask.

    But apparently, the free will of those who don’t want to know must be protected. Why is willful ignorance something that must be protected even as we, as a species are urged to raise our consciousness?

    Folks, I think it is high time we told these “ETs” to stuff it. They are not really helping us by drawing pretty pictures of a future that is always just out of reach.

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  49. #49 Laurinda
    November 24, 2011 am30 12:06 pm

    Charles Eisenstein, author, is the man speaking on the video I just posted. His book is entitled, ” Sacred Economics: Money, Gifts and Society in the Age of Transition”. Amazon.com sells the book for $14.76. This gentleman sounds like someone Kellia might like to meet…

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  50. #50 Robin.
    November 24, 2011 am30 12:28 pm


    Actually, I think what has occurred is that because it IS actually up to (or down to!) US.. and because our ‘Overlords’ HAVE been rather more ‘successful’ in retaining their suppression and control over us than was ever initially ‘projected’ by the Galactic Federation, EVERYTHING has also as a result, been ‘delayed’ somewhat.

    2012 however, according to the Mayan understanding, IS a distinctly ‘fixed’ physical event, in so far as that the Galactic Centre is directly aligned with our Sun and in turn, our Planet on Dec 21st. That only occurs once every 26,000 years!

    The pressure is therefore now ON!
    WE are also thus ‘creating’ a massive ‘Love-event’ (consciously or otherwise) IN 2012.. and the timeline of probabilities must, as a result, take an exponential leap into immediate and rapid accuracy.. because there will simply otherwise not BE enough physical 3D ‘time’ left in which to enact all that can/should/will potentially be enacted BY then!

    See it as ‘fore-concluded’ and fore-seen events locked onto a future timeline, that are thus destined and bound to occur.. but that all these ‘events’ are now forced (by US) to occur not over a 10 year period, as originally ‘projected’ by the GFL.. but instead over a highly ‘compressed’ 10 MONTH period (leading up to Dec. 2012) instead?

    It’s distinctly fasten seatbelts time & open Hearts time, or drop off the escalator s**n, Sis! Smile

    Our choice!

    Happy TGD. Smile

    In Light!


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  51. #51 LetsAskQuestions
    November 24, 2011 am30 2:42 pm

    Happy thanksgiving all! One thing that should be motivating to you all, is simple as this.

    It’s very clear that the Mayans were very intellectual, I’d assume way smarter than the modern civilization, and their calender ends of the 21st of December of next year, so whether if it’s good or bad, SOMETHING is going to happen next year! This is one type of hype that will not end up being a let-down.

    Frankly, i don’t care what happens. I just know that something extravagant will…Something. Let’s just keep supporting OWS, and who knows? Maybe the people WILL win this battle. Now that it’s started, and world-wide, it won’t die down. There’s too many people involved.

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  52. #52 Robin.
    November 24, 2011 am30 3:01 pm

    The Mayans have been labelled as the ‘Timekeepers’ for the Timelords of this Universe.. if so, they knew exactly what they were talking about ‘timewise’! Much of their culture left indicators that focus upon 2012. Now perhaps, we start to understand why! They were telling us something.. yet without interfering directly in our destiny potential.. they left us a choice-message!

    Actually WE/99% have already WON this battle.. we just don’t quite real-eyes it yet.. and may have to allow for the ‘time-factor’ to catch up with that Reality also!!

    No Surrender!



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  53. #53 QuadHealer
    November 24, 2011 am30 3:56 pm

    @Kellia  #46

    I hear you. It is all a matter of whether you buy into the general story being told by all medium and channelers across the globe or not. Sometimes I do get the feeling that channeled messages only tells you what they think you want to hear – or rather what the audience as a whole on average needs to hear. They deliberately leave out potential nasty bits, as the future is not set in stone, and there is no reason for people to manifest it. This is just another rationalization. All the issues you raise have perfectly good explanations, but the problem is that these “good” convenient explanations also come from the same source that gave us the vague information in the first place.

    If we are to dive just a bit into these convenient explanations, then it is all to do with free will, as we are in a free will zone, and are here to learn and experience what it is like to not know everything, and to experience all aspects of such a world. They claim it is to evolve our souls, but if we comes from God/the source/light/all that is, then I would assume that we are already evolved and don’t need to evolve more, but as one big whole consciousness I expect we were excited to learn new things and volunteered to split up and enter an illusion for the purpose of experiencing both “good” and “bad” sides of ourselves – knowing full well that we would eventually return no matter what.

    These messages come for beings at 5th dimension that have no rights to interfere with our learning experiences – even if it involves brutal suffering. If we are to believe what they say, it involves accepting that they are not here to save us, and it doesn’t help blaming them for all the misery here as they didn’t create it and are not allowed to do anything about it. It is us that need to feel the unfairness of this world and rid ourselves of it.

    They can only stand on the side lines telling comforting stories, and offer no proof as that too would inflict on our free will choice to believe or not believe. It is like Crop Circles – it is not forcing you to believe in Aliens or E.T. – you can just brush them all off as human made. But should they land in the streets, then it is an entirely different matter, just as if these messages offered very precises provable predictions – that would leave no room for free will.

    It could very well be that this is just a massive control system, and the controllers are laughing behind the curtains at our stupidity like “Another sucker that accepts suffering, misery and being a slave, because he/she thinks it is a learning experience and/or due to karma”. But we are talking about a control system that can influence all mediums across the globe, but as this is an illusion nothing is impossible.

    It is far from all channelers/mediums that agree that 2012 is the end of this 13000 year cycle as they put it. There are those that say that the “2012” alignment has already happened, because what we now accept as our calender has been adjusted so many times. The ones I believe the most say that it will be a sliding change, and it will not be at a certain date, so it is not unreasonable to talk about 2013…2015, but they do however stress that the world will be a very much better place by then, and there will be major paradigm shifts for the better, that will happen very quickly.

    However, source like Mathews and other adamantly state that end of 2012 is it, which is in conflict with the other sources I trust, but time will tell, and they cannot back out of this as they have said that the “future is fluid, but 2012 remains fixed” so many times.

    To me it doesn’t really matter so much if it is all a hoax or a very elaborate mechanism to control us – it doesn’t change my dissatisfaction with the world, and I will never stop voicing my concerns, and no matter what, I do feel that more an more people are starting to have had enough and demand change – and not just cosmetic changes, but real fundamental change, change in the magnitude of changing the core of this sick perverted world where everything is up side down and run by money. It truly is sick that companies deliberately make and design products to break so they can get more profits, and wars being fought against the peoples will, and this dissatisfaction is ever growing and the more they suppress us the stronger the dissatisfaction gets.

    Why do we give credence to their Ascension story while making fun of Christian rapture?

    I really hope that we are tolerant enough to not make fun of other beliefs, as we cannot offer any more proof than they can.

    I too believe that our current civilization is but a spec of dust compared to our previous knowledge that is now lost – it would be arrogant to believe we are at our peak now.

    In Light

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  54. #54 spedman
    November 24, 2011 am30 3:56 pm

    well actually right LAQ…. something is going to happen and you don’t need a history book from any time period. just satellite imagery and or the hubble lol…. we are …our solar system i mean… going to cross over the galactic center next year…. what will happen from that cross over no one knows but it is an actual scientific fact that we will…. so if nothing else we can celebrate the fact that we are here to be a part of that Smile Sweat Sun Sweat

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  55. #55 Chris
    November 24, 2011 am30 4:14 pm
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  56. #56 QuadHealer
    November 24, 2011 am30 4:30 pm

    @Chris #53: Nice David Wilcock video – thanks Yes

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  57. #57 snapdragon
    November 24, 2011 am30 4:33 pm
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  58. #58 Admiral2012here
    November 24, 2011 am30 5:39 pm

    …great discussion guys Yes

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  59. #59 seekinganswers
    November 24, 2011 am30 5:59 pm

    if you seen a man on the street and he was being eaten by a bear or a lion, would you help him or “let nature take its course” ?

    these beings are NOT acting in a very service to others fashion if they are not lifting a finger to help us. no secret unverifiable “oh we stopped this very bad thing from happening but youll never know, now thank us”

    yes sometimes there are lessons people need to learn for themselves. HOWEVER

    dont THEY have freewill? cant THEY say hey screw the plan these people are hurting? seems freewill is being used as some sort of a game or excuse.

    the first being to break from source and experience separation must have cause quite a painful ripple in source. in fact being AWAY from source is so exciting we ALL want to try it. well if source is an eventuality and serving others is supposed to be the path for ascension i suggest we take another look. service to self ascends too despite what some new age “guru’s” would have you believe.

    its not going to ruin us for them to come down here and PROVE once and for all the truth of it. it wont ruin us to have someone stronger than all on earth to come down here stop the BS and intervene. in fact by sitting up there doing nothing they are abusing the gift of freewill.

    yes NOTHING. no matter what anyone says or believes the videos are lights in the sky, could be our own, and most often the “creator” of the sightings is simply too ignorant of nature around them to understand what they are seeing.

    so we are left STILL with no 100% proving evidence.

    what i find most disturbing is this new age nonsense ( yes nonsense, as opposed to true scientific and spiritual research) is just how darn right david icke has been about the BS people will follow and believe.

    they are bringing out the “proofs” and slowly leaking to the media all the stuff. its just like carol rosin says, and david icke, and many who have come out with illuminati plans.

    those plans ARE in motion no matter what you may believe.

    OWS , they are asking the people who put this sytem in place to fix the problems? why would they do that? you are giving them all your money and through debt all the work of future generations. now we have the h5n1 super flu something which potentially could remove 50% of the population. this is not fear porn, this is facts, knowing a hurricane is coming to be able to prepare doesnt mean you are promoting fear.

    these aliens have mentioned they made mistakes in the past, well they are once again making another one. but NOT doing what they promise and NOT using THEIR freewill to do the compassionate thing and actually OPENLY assist us.

    Laura tyco’s new salusa message actually says we will meet them post haste but they will look like us so no one will know.

    this is exactly the type of message that keeps people hanging on just a little longer, in the meantime they continue to poison us, enslave us etc etc

    but freewill must be honoured. its FREEwill, meaning its a rule made to be broken

    how the F do you think people are gonna like you guys up there when you come down and say “yeah we have been watching for eons but couldnt have been bothered to actually help”

    how does this show service to ohters? everyday this looks more and more like the exact set up of bluebeam,

    does anyone pay attention to who is doing stuff? the disclosure project by steven greer funded by , rothchilds or rockefellars, always mix the two up, and what have they done lately? nodda, blossom has had her second large lie unfold. wether it is her lie or their lie to her remains to be seen. she should have remained in silence after the 2008 event like she said she would and not brought more false promises into the mix.

    as for quadhealers point that he hopes we do not make fun of eachothers beliefs, to answer that look at how fast channels jump on eachother when their stories conflict? those in the “yea they are here” category laugh at eachothers works all the time and ridicule, and ya know why? because they all tell us to do that, go within discern and label things right and wrong, good bad, light dark
    there is no different in these really, thats why i urge the aliens or whoever the heck is up there, out there, to say screw it break their stupid “rule” get down here and stop their kids from fighting eachother and help us clean up our rooms before christmas.

    they are just sitting up there watching us fighting claiming time is ever running short, but they do nothing to actually assist us.

    haarp microwaves can make you actually hear voices in your head, so once again we have NO verification of what is happeneing. many claim to be travelling in astral realms doing this or that. how do you know its not an implanted experience . in fact some sources have claimed, and boy oh boy i REALLY like this one, that all those memories of past lives, well not exactly so, not “your” memory of a past life but in fact a re-merging of the two timelines and getting an experience which is like having akashic records downloaded.

    this would explain why thousands of individuals all living at the exact same time claim to be the “owners” of the exact same famous personality, i was cleopatra, no I was.

    what would those who believe in their past life so much do when they find that it was akashic record, or timeline merging. IF it is even that at all.

    we want answers we need answers and dammit we deserve answers after putting up with this crap from these beings for eons. they say they will come in peace. i think if they dont hurry up they are NOT going to be welcomed and it will be US saying in peace we DONT want you here anymore, when we asked for help you sat in your dimensions and ships and claimed divine rules stopped you. BAH what a laugh, then you claim its our fault that you havent come yet, BAH.

    you can be damn sure they will show up when we are free and claim they were the reason

    THIS IS SERVICE TO SELF. not the team new agers claim to be on, but they follow that path like you wouldnt believe, are we not to come together rather then separate and divide our groups? are we not to work together rather than be separate

    the more i read the multitude of different channels the more i see the pattern, they want us to do all the work and them to take all the credit, it aint going down like that. if they want credit they will have to WORK FOR IT.

    some channels come through loud and clear telling people they are foolish with their attachments and are believing themselves into a lie, those channels are nearly always rejected as disinfo, yet look around you , the waking up isnt happeneing like people think it is.

    websites like ashtar command have 10,000 members, so how come the disclosure petition got only 12,000 names? from the whole world? do you know what the % is for that?

    1.714 to the exponent -6

    that is 0.000000174 % of us

    by the law of squares presented by RA we need 10% of people WIDE awake, not still stubling around with sleep in their eyes barely awake

    according to other figures the walkin ins and wanderers # at least 10 times the # who signed the petition.

    and then what do these geniuses do when the govt says no there are no aliens, THEY ASK AGAIN

    we have been asking the govt for 60 years , they arent gonna tell us

    we need some of them crazy guys with lots of guns, you nkow local terrorist white guys with bunkers and stuff in their backyards, those guys, lets get a bunch of them and storm area 51

    they arent gonna show us WHAT WE PAID FOR so lets go for ourselves? enoug is enough from both the leaders of earth and the ETS purporting to be here to help us

    we are still waiting for help down here, and the leaders are NOT who we should be asking to fix stuff and be honest with us.

    STORM THE GATES for the truth, even if its the gates of heaven.

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  60. #60 seekinganswers
    November 24, 2011 am30 6:17 pm

    large message in the spam can from me, oh well, you probably wouldnt have liked it much anyways.

    the gist is, they arent helping and they are not using the freewill they have. FREEwill is a rule that was designed to totally be broken

    thats the whole point, if you just did what the divine creator or source agreed all the time then we wouldnt have left source

    they need to quit messing around

    every day this looks more like what carol rosin, david icke and bluebeam have warned us of for so long.

    meanwhile back at the ranch salusa says soon so it must be soon

    and the pillars of light pff who needs them anyways right?

    actually on that note i DID come across something about those pillars of light. perhaps this was a problem of the channeler bringin through personal wishes and attachments, which is typical of channelers who are unpure and not connected fully with their higher self.

    ok so there is a video about the moon and why it is always shown B&W and should be in color, hubble is in color should be able to see, anyways in this video it talks about these strange lines, the thoery is they are “space elevators” and us govt had projects going on to see if this was possible, well perhaps THOSE are the pillars of light, the video showed many images showing thise vertical lines coming off of many different photos, and it seems they, one of the photos even had one of the lines going behind the moon in the shot

    and we also had the article about the obama on mars in the early 80′s thing wher they went through these teleport stations.

    and then in the movie THEY LIVE we see one of these teleport pods, the step on a pad and are changed into merkaba, or ball of light, and shoot off

    so when we put these three together we have what appears to be line of sight light pillar paths which perhaps coded energy can be sent in the form of light, sort of like a teleporter in star trek but WITH a wire of sorts, a wire of light or energy

    here is the video if you wish to see for yourself


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  61. #61 Chris
    November 24, 2011 am30 7:53 pm

    @Quadhealer Thank you, I like the shorter versions of stuff that get to the point. I hope all the smart entities catch on the that. My level of indifference gets higher each day.

    @51 ” We are here to learn and experience what it is like to not know everything, and to experience all aspects of such a world”

    I don’t feel this is adventure travel or an educational visit. I feel purpose and have no exact idea of what it is, but it comes a little at a time. For me right now it feels like I’m a condensor or transformer or something in regards to energy and that’s all. There doesn’t seem to be allot of learning or enjoying or fearing for that matter. It just isn’t happening that way for me personally.

    For all the channels and new age personalities I say, “Same old religion different wrapper”. Everybody has little pieces of the truth and no honest big picture. The Universe is what it is and I’m tired of playing it’s game. I look at ET’s as spectators mainly and the population explosion as a lot of folks getting on the “Great Trip” at the last minute. Doesn’t bother me as long as we are not being held up so more can jump on and feel as little “pain” as possible. (Weak As*es, but whatever, LOL)

    I can’t look up and not know intuitively that the process has begun. Like you said, good or bad makes no difference, we are powerless to stop it. What will be will be. Our Sun is doing it’s thing and it will continue . At this point I am mortal and will die anyway at some point in the future, The world is not a place I want to be, so for me, it is a “NO BRAINER”… I’ll take the E-ticket ride please.
    (& if it is a cookbook or we’re to be processed and preserved…So What like we could stop that with the power of our minds. lol)

    I gota say it would have been nice to have “Heavens Help” but I kinda like finishing the job on our own. I can hear the conversations now and I don’t want to hear how “They Saved My Butt At The Last Frigging Minute…” I think I’d rather fail, Pride, what a bugger.

    One last thought. The Universe evolves. When someting becomes disfunctional it creates a solution. I feel we are becoming that solution and it ticks off some of the Higer Ups… Now who’s pride got in the way… LMAOROF

    Anyway I feel this is my last tour here. I’ve Put In My Two Weeks to say. If it doesn’t get done this time around, I’d rather have my energy spread throught the multiverse or whatever, but I’m not coming back to this… That said, inside for whatever reason, I know all dogs go to heaven… That the “Contract Change” has become an insurance policy gaurenteed by God.


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  62. #62 Robin.
    November 25, 2011 am30 1:51 am

    SaLuSa. 25th November. 2011.

    For those of you who follow what is happening in the world, you cannot have failed to notice that our predictions as to the outcome are becoming your reality. The massive banking and financial problems are clearly heading for a crash, and there is no way to prevent it. You are living in a world that is in a state of chaos and steadily heading for an implosion. People now see what has been wrong with the old set up, but up to now have no real answers that will completely deal with the problems. A number of governments have collectively agreed to support a new approach to banking, but it remains to be seen who can galvanize them into action. This situation presents us with an opportunity push our allies forward, who with our help can outline what is necessary to move onto a new path that will solve your problems. There is also consideration to be given to the Abundance program that will follow such changes, so we are working hard to bring some semblance of order into being. Much of what is waiting to come out is tied in with the announcement of Disclosure, and that is ready and simply waiting for a firm date to be agreed.

    As each week passes the need to get started with the changes becomes more pressing, but we do not want jump the gun after patiently waiting for so long. There would not in fact be any gain by commencing too soon, as our action must be co-ordinated with you to ensure a path to smooth success. The Galactic Federation continues to closely monitor the activities of the dark Ones, as although their set-up is in disarray, they can still be a threat. However, we have taken away from them the ability to cause a major disaster and prevented them from interfering in the Middle East. Countries there have to sort out their own problems, and as far as possible act on the demands from their people. In the past the West has deliberately set their sights on the oil fields, and often instigated trouble and wars to weaken them and take over. Colonialism took away countries and their wealth from the natural inhabitants, and that will be addressed when peace is restored.

    There has been so much that has happened to leave you in a state of imprisonment, yet pretence that you are free which is far from the truth. True freedom will be restored once we have removed the dark Ones, and new governments observe the Constitution. Many laws made in recent times that were illegal will be made void and restitution made where people have been penalised or imprisoned. These changes will occur with our assistance to ensure that you are re-instated as Sovereign Beings. All of these actions will prepare the way for greater things that will come with and after Ascension. So you can see that a busy time lies ahead, and one that is very fulfilling.

    By now most of you who follow the various sources of reliable information, will have grasped what a wonderful time approaches. That should make your journey more bearable during the changes, which with our technologies will run smoothly and quite quickly. Our plans are updated immediately changes become necessary, and we are ready to go into action once the necessary preliminaries are in place. Everything is that close to completion that we know very little time is required before we can actually get going.

    Be brave and stand your ground when faced with attacks on your beliefs, as when some people realise that the world is changing permanently they will be reluctant to give up what they have. They will know in their hearts that they cannot stop evolution, but try to argue against change because of the fear they feel. If invited to help them understand, then go ahead without overpowering them with your knowledge – simply give as much as is required to get them over the block on their road to understanding. Some souls are here to experience Ascension at a distance, having no desire to actually be involved. However, all experience helps move you along, and often as a result seeds are set that will grow into an opportunity to acquire great knowledge.

    Freewill operates whatever choices a soul makes, because it is known that if there is a negative situation involved you will always bounce back. After all, your life is infinite and you are mortal, and the Creator places no demands upon you having accepted you as one who desires to experience outside of the Source. Every soul grows from the collective experience and consciousness levels rapidly increase. As above so below, and on Earth you are all lifted up by each others increasing levels of consciousness. You are as One Great Soul and with your present awakening you are able to “feel” the Oneness that you exist within. It is true that what you do to one, you do to all others. When you reach this level of understanding you accept more responsibility for your thoughts and deeds, realizing that you are creating energy that affects others.

    With many of you preparing for the end of the year festivities, it is a welcome distraction from the daily gloom that the media focuses upon. Take the opportunity to enjoy a coming together, when families unite and renew the love that exits between them. Giving is good for the soul when carried out without the expectation of receiving something in return. It is a great pleasure particularly where children are concerned, and you see their expressions of joy and happiness. Normally they do not weigh up the cost involved, and often get great satisfaction from presents that are of a simple nature. Adults sometimes take a different view, but as ever it is thought that counts and it should be appreciated.

    Depending on your degree of awareness, this year you will have more to celebrate than usual as 2012 is almost upon you and will be quite extraordinary. It will be most unlike any other year but all for the best of reasons, and we give thanks to those of you who have come to Earth to spread the Light. It will be one that is remembered for a long, long time to come and spoken about throughout the Universe. The fact that you have overcome the dark Ones, and Ascension is assured is the upliftment that ensures the Universe is safe and that Ascension will be completed throughout.

    I am SaLuSa from Sirius, and feel most privileged to work with such beautiful souls. I bless you all and send out my love to you.

    Thank you SaLuSa.
    Mike Quinsey.


    In Light!

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  63. #63 Stick
    November 25, 2011 am30 2:23 am

    **The Morning Blessing**

    ~Memo From Your Higher Self:

    You are in charge of birthing all you desire through your beliefs,
    through you engagements of energy, action, and thought!

    As these move into your heart space you start to see
    them become externalized as your life.

    You are the only one that creates stages and outcomes
    of situations that benefit your own Soul growth.

    You, my dear self, have the ability in all abstract events in your
    life to pull in divine intervention, to rearrange what doesn’t feel good,
    to rewrite the ending to any story.

    The buck stops with you. You have the gift of coming
    full swing into Godness if you choose.

    All things, believe it or not, are at your beck and call and creation.
    Thanks for listening. ~Rev Angela

    ~ManifestYourDestint247———————Handcuffs Thunder Shock Star

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  64. #64 Robin.
    November 25, 2011 am30 4:56 am

    ‘Thanks’ Giving?

    From a post by ‘Michilin’ http://lightworkers.org/michilin


    In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared “A Day Of Thanksgiving” because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.

    Cheered by their “victory”, the brave colonists and their Indian allies attacked village after village. Women and children over 14 were sold into slavery while the rest were murdered. Boats loaded with a many as 500 slaves regularly left the ports of New England. Bounties were paid for Indian scalps to encourage as many deaths as possible.

    Following an especially successful raid against the Pequot in what is now Stamford, Connecticut, the churches announced a second day of “thanksgiving” to celebrate victory over the heathen savages. During the feasting, the hacked off heads of Natives were kicked through the streets like soccer balls. Even the friendly Wampanoag did not escape the madness. Their chief was beheaded, and his head impaled on a pole in Plymouth, Massachusetts — where it remained on display for 24 years.

    The killings became more and more frenzied, with days of thanksgiving feasts being held after each successful massacre. George Washington finally suggested that only one day of Thanksgiving per year be set aside instead of celebrating each and every massacre. Later Abraham Lincoln decreed Thanksgiving Day to be a legal national holiday during the Civil War — on the same day he ordered troops to march against the starving Sioux in Minnesota



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  65. #65 Chris
    November 25, 2011 am30 10:07 am

    I think it should be Titled “Do You See What I See?”
    Music Note http://youtu.be/nWVU7ZbbVps Music Note


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  66. #66 Laurinda
    November 25, 2011 am30 10:57 am

    The latest SaLuSa message tells us what any alternative news service already IS!!! If I want the news, I tune into Alex Jones, David Icke, and the Drudge Report. Talk about a 3D message—where’s the inspiration THERE??? Question

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  67. #67 Kellia
    November 25, 2011 am30 11:14 am

    Let us hope that SaLaSa is not referring to Ron Paul. Despite the fact that he has some good ideas like voting against The Patriot Act and the Iraq war, he is dedicated to libertarian capitalism, which is a totally service to self philosophy. His narrow idea of freedom is the right to accumulate as much money and property and you ca and do whatever you see fit with it without regard to what it does to others. He and his son Rand are both doctors but think free health care is tantamount to slavery. And though they claim not to be racists, they both would have voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act because it was telling people what to do with their private property. Property rights are much more important than human rights to Paul. Don’t be fooled by the fact that he makes sense on some issues.

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  68. #68 Kellia
    November 25, 2011 am30 12:06 pm

    @Kellia #46

    I hear you. It is all a matter of whether you buy into the general story being told by all medium and channelers across the globe or not.

    Well, I have gotten to the point where I see so many inconsistencies and broken promises that I don’t believe much of anything anymore. There is still too much going on that shows the Dark Side is still in control to lead me to believe that the ETs, if they are there, are doing anything “behind the scenes”. And any rebellion on earth can be explained by purely human activity. People are rightly fed up.

    If we are to dive just a bit into these convenient explanations, then it is all to do with free will, as we are in a free will zone, and are here to learn and experience what it is like to not know everything, and to experience all aspects of such a world.

    But what it free will? To me it is the ability to make choices at any time in our lives. In our current lives, not just in a time between incarnations when allegedly drew up a life contract that our guides intend to hold us to no matter what we decide later on. If we are forced to adhere to this contract, free will is just an illusion and reality, such as it is, is predetermined. Yet the channelled messages claim free will is sacrosanct?

    They claim it is to evolve our souls, but if we comes from God/the source/light/all that is, then I would assume that we are already evolved and don’t need to evolve more,

    My thoughts exactly. And if we have to “evolve” this is a horribly inefficient was to do it. We don’t get to remember much about our past lives (yes, I know there are some cultural differences in that). We don’t remember our purpose in coming here. In what other kind of school is it a good thing to forget what you learned before?

    but as one big whole consciousness I expect we were excited to learn new things and volunteered to split up and enter an illusion for the purpose of experiencing both “good” and “bad” sides of ourselves – knowing full well that we would eventually return no matter what.

    These messages come for beings at 5th dimension that have no rights to interfere with our learning experiences – even if it involves brutal suffering. If we are to believe what they say, it involves accepting that they are not here to save us, and it doesn’t help blaming them for all the misery here as they didn’t create it and are not allowed to do anything about it. It is us that need to feel the unfairness of this world and rid ourselves of it.

    They can only stand on the side lines telling comforting stories, and offer no proof as that too would inflict on our free will choice to believe or not believe. It is like Crop Circles – it is not forcing you to believe in Aliens or E.T. – you can just brush them all off as human made. But should they land in the streets, then it is an entirely different matter, just as if these messages offered very precises provable predictions – that would leave no room for free will.

    What about the free will of those who do want the suffering to stop. What happens to their choices not to want to suffer or watch suffering anymore? A basic physical rule that makes this earth possible is that two particles of matter cannot occupy the same space at the sane time. I believe that extends to thoughts. Two people who want opposite things in the same space (eg war and peace in the Middle East) cannot have them at the same time.

    They don’t explain how the inevitable dualist choice is made. Why does the warmonger win so much of the time??

    It could very well be that this is just a massive control system, and the controllers are laughing behind the curtains at our stupidity like “Another sucker that accepts suffering, misery and being a slave, because he/she thinks it is a learning experience and/or due to karma”. But we are talking about a control system that can influence all mediums across the globe, but as this is an illusion nothing is impossible.

    That is very much a possibility considering ll the government mind control experimentation and surveillance going on in many countries for many years. Not to mention that organized religions have tried to get us to accept the state of suffering for millennia.

    To me it doesn’t really matter so much if it is all a hoax or a very elaborate mechanism to control us – it doesn’t change my dissatisfaction with the world, and I will never stop voicing my concerns, and no matter what, I do feel that more an more people are starting to have had enough and demand change – and not just cosmetic changes, but real fundamental change, change in the magnitude of changing the core of this sick perverted world where everything is up side down and run by money. It truly is sick that companies deliberately make and design products to break so they can get more profits, and wars being fought against the peoples will, and this dissatisfaction is ever growing and the more they suppress us the stronger the dissatisfaction gets.

    But why bother? If you believe the life contract stuff, the murder victim, rape victim, civilian caught in a war zone etc agreed before incarnation to experience this and the criminals agreed to experience criminality. So why even have laws? Might makes right. I do as I damned well please and if I hurt you, well you agreed to experience it, and if I am hurt, well, I am SOL. (Sounds a lot like the right wing beliefs of today, actually). Why have any laws at all? Why care about anybody? It’s all illusion.

    Gordon has the right idea. Live as though the ET’s don’t exist. If they show up and truly are benevolent great. But stop counting days, looking for signs in the sky or anything else.

    So I am going to quit coming here, despite the fact that under other circumstances, all this philosophical discussion could be quite interesting. I am fed up if the internal inconsistencies of the channelled messages. And I am determined to change the trajectory of my existence regardless of whatever alleged ET’s, guides or life contracts there may be.

    Part of that means not spending so much timne in speculating.

    Thank you all.


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  69. #69 Reefer
    November 26, 2011 am30 6:51 am

    “Fear is the path to the dark side of the Force. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering”

    Let go!


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