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    I got increasingly tired of my comment not being posted so I have decided to put that here as a general message to all.

    I realize you’ll feel slightly miffed that I’m using you as an example but as I said; this message is for all.

    Even if this is deception dressed up as hope; I’ll take it because looking at the world day to day and seeing it progressively deteriorate is certainly something I don’t see as “hope” especially when our sovereignty is destroyed by even those who share our heritage.

    We are always constantly too busy fighting over bullshit like religious, cultural and racial differences.
    They have made it a point to enforce our belief and appreciation of our free will and say they are not allowed to infringe upon it, but by taking advantage of our resources and especially deceiving us to do so in the process is blatant and obvious. Influencing someone to benefit yourself is an infringement of free will.

    Even in tumultuous and dark times, humanity has always made a positive out of a negative and seen it as a learning experience and that evolves us as a whole. The fact of the matter is, human beings are a greedy primitive species and the elite in power prey on this; not extraterrestrials. The NWO and Illuminati do exist.
    What of the gold that china possesses and the lawsuit against several prominent bodies of the world? The new financial plan that is extremely sound and relies on the very resources they would covet; how would it be explained to us that this new system is in place but they need from us the very thing that is powering it.
    The reality is, we would never have had a more profound understanding of more intelligent life without their intervention here, so it would be quite the positive to recognize this as a whole. Not to mention if it unites us when we see a common enemy which would be very counterproductive to what they supposedly desire. If they do not believe in violence how would keep us in line en mass? There are several devastating weapons and technology mankind has developed over the centuries and has been destroying the environment they require for their own selfish ends and apparent adoration of our planet.

    And what of edgar cayce and his readings of atlantis and lemuria that have evidence to have existed even in ancient writings of plato.

    And if they cannot survive on the surface world where they apparently need breathing apparatuses, how would they explain their existence underground where there is even less so. The hollow earth theory has had its place for a few hundred years now, why now is it all of a sudden lies and deception? If its completely illogical why have so many “experts” been so hesitant to go see things for themselves instead of poo pooing on the idea of it giving more creedence to it being a coverup and not “pseudo-science or pseudo-archaeology” Which angers me to no end when they say that. Our understanding of our world is only in relation to our current understanding of it and any kind of thought outside those defined parameters is deemed false and foolhardy. What about when the world was perceived to be flat when it is in fact spherical. Why is it so crazy to believe our world as we know it is hollow?  We desperately need outside intelligence to give us the means to see this for ourselves; even if we are wrong. At least we’ll know.
    This person or whoever is right that they are reclusive; human beings are superstitious and apparently very obvious in many cases they they’ll believe damn near anything if its offered by a higher power. Which is what they are claiming. “We don’t involve ourselves in human affairs or do direct intervention” Then what the hell is your purpose or point for trying to contact us if you aren’t going to come down and help us or be a mediator and just let this shit happen. Especially after saying you work in service and alignment with the creator which is what they also claim. That would mean that someone somewhere is insinuating that God has been fucking us over for quite some time now and is alluding to the fact that we are nothing more but a primitive, stupid, slave race who’s only usefulness is to be led to believe in lies of hope and freedom and truth. That is a cruel joke and one you shouldn’t even begin to buy. The spiritual leaders of our times did indeed exist and religion has been used as a system of control by mankind. So the question would be what would they have to hide? Spirituality is a truth we feel inside us all and not the books that we print on. Ever since I was a child I felt there was something very wrong with religion but felt in my heart God existed. This blessing of new information as of recent for me has confirmed it.

    Coverups  wouldn’t be protecting us from these entities and given that these people have held power for a number of years; it wouldn’t take this long to enact a plan.

    Given that China possess a large amount of gold its obviously allocated in great numbers in only a handful of locations as opposed to spread far and wide so why would they need to have us mine more when so much in numbers has been brought together. The idea that is being put forth is that our economic system that is about to change will fueled by the resource they are trying to take and would only then leave us promises for us to slip back into the financial system we had before which was disastrous. So does that mean that our destiny is apparently to stay in this cycle of upheaval, suppression by masters whether they be mortal men or extraterrestrial; to have beneficial technology for all human kind to be hidden away and threats of death to those who only wish freedom for all.
    I call bullshit. We need something to unite us; this constant warring and separation of the human species will not be able to make progress forward without the help of higher intelligence. That is a fact, because we need an outside perspective from those who are not inundated by our worlds issues. And for this to be accomplished they will have to possess more intelligence and at least some firepower to get us to shut up and listen (although I don’t think they’d ever have to fire a single shot.) Otherwise we’d just argue with them all day and parrot biblical scripture and look like the dumb, unthinking apes that we tend to be, that operate off of emotional and hormonal response rather than logical and serenity; which then is for whatever reason is deemed as weakness.Right now human beings are becoming more spiritually connected to God and our inner consciousness in a world spiraling into chaos and death.  We need all the help we can get.

    “Free and always will be”?
    Do you even know what freedom is? Does anybody here?

    No. Freedom I think, would mean to always act as an individual with no notions given to established ideas, sciences or any kind of accumulated and progressive knowledge.
    Even if it makes you look ignorant.
    Human beings only thinking and acting for themselves with rejection to ideas and information that may change the order and understanding of things without cooperation for a greater cause is.. Oh look, thats what we have now.
    Freedom doesn’t truly exist in the sense that we must always bend a little because we are individuals and sometimes have to find common ground.

    Crystals have been shown to hold great power, that is not an illusion and neither is energy healing from the consciousness that they have encouraged us to expand on. And is also something they have perpetrated to be seen as a wonderful power source for energy and advancement. We’re seeing realizations of that.

    They have encouraged us to advance spiritually and connect with one another

    So what this person is saying, is that they have made an effort to strengthen us spiritually; encourage our resilience and praised our free will; while not believing in it themselves. Encouraged us to work together for the benefit of all humanity and to get on the same page, to stop fighting one another over petty differences and realize ourselves as a whole to use us as a way to mine resources. All for the purposes of enslavement. They have promised advanced technology and it is stipulated that they will provide us with none.

    We may be superstitious but we are NOT stupid. Far from it.
    We know bullshit when we see it, and when they come down breaking almost all promises they have made and make obvious infringements and hindrances of our free will, we will realize this.

    We have realized this about global corruption for quite sometime now. They will be no different if that is their game they wish to play.

    You want to talk about people using discernment? I just gave paragraphs of it, instead of just saying

    “They said this, and then this person said this! OMGZ LIES.”,vand then give a braveheart speech. That is not discernment. That is just being swayed easily and operating off of fear of which they have constantly told us not to do.
    In reality it is not insulting nor is it infringing to look at a race much less evolved and “young” as a parent-child relationship. Our parents helped us grow and mature as we grew older, so in a sense “Respect your elders” comes to mind here because they do know more than us and we should always take advantage of an opportunity to learn.
    Their existence is proven, and their landing is imminent.

    Discernment is finding truth for yourself and incorporating logic in the process, which along with free will, we have been gifted with.

    Start using it and quit being taken for rides so easily by someone else that says so.

    In reality, this reliance on channelers is just like faith we put in God. We cannot see God, but we feel his presence just as well it stirring that presence within us when we read the messages. God cannot come down in human form to speak to us, and you will not find these messages in any of your religious texts.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if this year turns out to be a dud, we have no reason to look forward to any other year for conscious advancement especially with the advent of another race. When you set something in stone centuries ago, and give the promise that it will be done decreed by God; you can’t screw that up.

    There was a big contradiction when they said they came here to interbreed and are not our family.

    Uh yeah, they kinda are. Since our association with familial figures is based on ancestral knowledge and birthright.

    Or as you put it
    “Cosmic Santa”

    I do not mean this to be mean spirited and nasty; but I believe if you’re going to promote a message, especially without posting a thought-out conclusion to what you’ve read; a counter-argument is only fair and should be expected.

    Love and Light for all.

     

    -Zach

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  1. #1 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 12:02 am

    Thank you for your interest and this post.

    I will try to describe my opinion for this issue.

    About me.
    To understand better my opinion I want to give some info about me. I have been aware about west secret societies for 5 years, at first I accepted only part of it and could not coup with lizards, but later on I also accepted this idea about lizard cabal which we are fighting with. I also have studied about global economic system and I’m admiring work done by G. Edward Griffin ( http://youtu.be/jAdu0N1-tvU ). I have read all the books by OSHO and there are issues I don’t accept but overall I approve the message he is bringing. About Light workers and their channels I found out only few weeks ago – so my mind is still fresh and I’m able to look objective on both sides, because only yesterday I found this other source that my inner guts where asking for.
    When I find out about Light workers and their great mission I was excited and happy as man could ever be – finally good times are rolling in humanity. Finally we can stop worries and relax and enjoy all those good thing that they are promising us. I said to my self – this is it – you don’t have to worry about a thing. Everything will be taken care – you just have to work for your inner self – for love to others and service for others. And that is so good mission and concept that it’s hard to dismiss.
    BUT there was a little voice that told me – hey, you have switched off all firewalls, you have not ever don it before – that is not wise! It was like I fired my network admin and he was screaming out side the building and I could hear his tinny voice from office. I kind of knew that it’s not right – but than again I didn’t have any evidence that it is wrong. And than I received this message. As always I look trough every message and give a chance to represent it’s self – that is what my open mind has learned the best way to do. So I gave a chance – I stepped out of my comfort zone, I step back from my self, I step back from my country and it’s problems, I step back from whole planet and step back from our solar system – and I looked at this message from above. That is what I do when I want to look completely objective without influence by other sources. I looked trough message I it responded to my self, my consciousness and it made complete sense. From that same position I was I looked at Light worker messages and looked do they match with this one offered scenario and facts that steps that have been made – for me it matched. So I returned to our solar system, to our planet, to my country, to my self – and I was feeling awakened for second time. Yes, it was again same feelings – I have been tricked, my ideal has used me again – this time not in world scale but in galactic scale. Of course that is not great feeling at all – again – this is not what you wish for but it’s what you need. It is much easier to be just happy and accept everything light workers brings – it’s much more easier – but it would be fatal for us.

    About light workers.
    My opinion about them is that they are not evil, they are not like lizard cabal – no. They are peace loving species. And they really believe that they are doing right thing with us – even that they are fully aware of that they are manipulating – but they think that it is for better for everyone. They believe that there is true power in consciousness collectivism – they really believe that only by uniting as many species possible in one single model of living – soul is able to develop much efficient. Greater developed species share they technologies with lower developed species and so lower developed learn much faster and adopt new technologies and spirituality much faster. So there is a advantage of collectivism. Speaking about disadvantages is that once you are in position as a member of much advanced community which provides you technologies and supply for these technologies you have to accept their rules for trading these goods and for expressing and behaving your self in this collectivist community. Because in this community there are consolidated many species – in order to be effective community for different species – you have to create platform and rules by which all species have to comply – there is no other way. It’s like EU countries now looses their sovereignty for better good in order to make stronger and more efficient EU. So we already have seen than in our planet. And as you can guess – I don’t like it.
    Now what would happen here is that we would be accepted in greater galactic community – but not as independent species that there are some other ones – like those who brought to us this message about light workers agenda, but we would be like one of this light worker communities colonies. There is not much we can give except as our planet biological assets and our human labor what can be useful if it’s converted into collectivist standard of living. This is what happened to Indians in America after white man came – only these species are much more smarter and won’t conquer earth by military force what could destroy their assets. They will manipulate us like a girl from country that has moved in New York and just met very hansom and polite man who just defended her from rubber who wanted to steal from her. All this girl defense barriers are down – there is no firewall against this great city guy who is shining like a star. Of course that guy is in full control – and not that naive country girl.
    Well – what I am saying is we should say – thank you for stopping that robber – and have a nice day to you too. Our country girl has to step in the city alone – put on all necessary fire walls to protect her self – make her self a living place so she could be self sufficient – make her unique and not manipulated by someone else – and when she is in same level as all others in this city – she will choose to which man she likes to date.
    But if this country girl will start relationships with this one man and will live in his agenda – she won’t develop in a self-sufficient, strong independent women. She will just a country girl – maybe more advanced later on – but will always loose that possibility what was for her if she would develop in this city independently. Yes it would be harder – but in bigger picture – it would make her stronger and independent from anyone else.

    This city is universe and it’s full of other galactic communities – dark ones, collectivists, individualists, etc. We should step in this universe as independent species – and not in other way. Don’t fall into old tricks. You already know how they are done.

    Thank you! For now it’s what I wanted to express.

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  2. #2 Diana
    January 13, 2012 pm31 1:21 am

    To Awakeandalive : You couldn’t have expressed better what the majority of us feel in respect to this matter.Honestly, thank you for posting this, I think you’re right and everyone needs to read this.

    To viedoklis_lv : I still think you should wait until the ETs come,land and talk to us in person and THEN spam this community all you want.

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  3. #3 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 1:31 am

    Diana, that is your opinion and I respect that there is such. It’s great that there can be different opinions, it’s great to be different and not all equal. That is what needed.

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  4. #4 Diana
    January 13, 2012 pm31 1:39 am

    Well, nobody said we have to be clones. The way I see it is that we should support each other and get united for a cause. Nobody is saying we have to be all robots programmed to mindlessly think the same way. And like Awakeandalive said: we’re not stupid, we know bullshit when we see it.So please stop worrying about us. And whatever your opinion may be, I wish you the best in this special year.

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  5. #5 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 1:43 am

    You can be sure that there are many people who will bring this message to other people when ET’s will visit us officially and not in undercover. It will be only honest to have every person two side information in order to make their decisions.
    For now, I post this info for those who aware only about collectivist Light workers official agenda. Maybe here will be someone else who will take an objective look on this crucial issue.

    After their official visit there will be many many minds open to receive information (what they deny at today’s world) and process it in order to make their own decision. We shall be there and you will be there.

    Let love, light and knowledge decide destiny of humanity as earth shifts in new age of energy when winter ends and spring starts.

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  6. #6 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 5:15 am

    I would like to know – who can approve this declaration:

    Simply – ask your self – do you stand for such humanity Sovereignty – or not.

    http://www.humansovereignty.org/

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  7. #7 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 6:09 am

    http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/01/12/salusa-13-january-2012-the-hard-work-you-have-put-in-will-now-pay-off/

    “In the future many of you are going to join the Galactic Federation in their work, so it is only right that you start to involve yourselves with us.”

    That is exactly what I’m talking about – they don’t hide their agenda – they are so sure about the fact that they already own us. People, how cant you see this?
    If you are not left alone to develop your spirituality and technologies by your self than you are not independent at all.

    People, wake up!

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  8. #8 Valtor
    January 13, 2012 pm31 7:46 am

    viedoklis_lv my friend. You seem to be drowning in fear. Of course you must follow your own discernment.

    But your messages here are fear-based and this does not help Earth.

    If I may share my opinion with you, maybe you could sensitize people about how important it is to follow our own discernment with ALL information whatever the source. For Truth remains subjective for us here in 3D. Each of us creates our own Truth.

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  9. #9 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 7:58 am

    I will have absolutely no doubts at all if light workers and people of the earth agrees that we are independent species and all sides agrees on this declaration and respects it. Than based on this declaration can happen cooperation between other species.

    I shall repeat – do you, Valtor, accept these statements which are declared in “Declaration of human sovereignty”?
    Yes or no? And will you stand for these values that we should be independent in universe and not guided by anyone else?

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  10. #10 Valtor
    January 13, 2012 pm31 8:28 am

    I agree with about 70% of it as it is worded. Smile

    Also it is my deepest belief that WE of the Earth have agreed to what is going to happen *before* we incarnated.

    So our freewill is fully respected.

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  11. #11 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 8:45 am

    Valtor, on what you don’t agree? What is that 30%?

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  12. #12 Valtor
    January 13, 2012 pm31 9:11 am

    I will only give one example.

    “…Accordingly, we, the People of Earth, do hereby declare all previously existing agreements or treaties between any human government, group, or individual and any extraterrestrials to be forthwith null, void, and permanently suspended…”

    I do not agree with this, simply because while we are here incarnated on Earth we are not aware of the contracts we have made of our own freewill before incarnating. So voiding it all would I believe only benefits the Elites in the end.

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  13. #13 Norris
    January 13, 2012 pm31 9:33 am

    There is an old saying that goes something like this:

    Give a man a fish, and he can feed his family for a day, teach a man how to fish, and he can feed his family for a lifetime.

    I think this applies to the situation we are now in, you could say it like this:

    Give humanity advanced technolgies, and they can flourish for an age, teach humanity how to create these technologies themselves, and humanity can flourish for eternity.

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  14. #14 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 9:42 am

    Norris – you understand the situation. It’s good – so there is hope for humanity. Because if one can do understand than others are also able to do that.

    Valtor, every contract should be made in direct democracy way by human species at all times. So if we are not aware of such agreements than they doesn’t represent our will. We can now make such deals after people of the world has voted on it – and than if you will be re-born here you will see those deals what are approved by humans of this planet. Now it’s only speculation without any prove.

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  15. #15 Valtor
    January 13, 2012 pm31 11:14 am

    I believe we are agreed on the whole. It’s simply a misunderstanding from a perspective of freewill applied before the veil and freewill applied after the veil.

    At the end of the day, we are all eternal beings and we ALL find our way back to the Creator which we are. Smile

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  16. #16 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 11:24 am

    For now it’s just a theory – a story about the contract before soul get’s born in body on earth. So again – you should not trust to something you can’t prove. You can think about it, you can talk about it, we can discuss this issue – but you can’t address real deals and real material things on these stories and theories. So in real world there must be solid ground for equal and legal agreements which are approved by real humans.

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  17. #17 Valtor
    January 13, 2012 pm31 11:31 am

    For me it’s not a theory. I feel energy constantly swirling around my forehead. I cannot prove anything to my other-selves, but I do have personal proof.

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  18. #18 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 11:38 am

    Valtor,
    I am experiencing also great changes in me – as I wrote before I have lost anger, fear, revenge. I eat less, sleep less but feeling better every day. But that has no connection with Light workers and they know that. Earth is now shifting into new age when new energy will be flowing to earth – its love. This is a reason why we feel so good, and this is the reason why there is real chance for humanity to come over it’s problems and in couple of years make over own solutions for society, technologies and spirituality. Light workers know that – and that’s why they want to step in so that they can take away our unique possibility to develop independent specie – because than they won’t be able to consolidate with other species that already has been taken over in their community.

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  19. #19 Awakeandalive
    January 13, 2012 pm31 11:39 am

    7 and 9

    Dude, you are doing the exact opposite of what BOTH sides are saying and succumbing to fear.
    The other day you were talking about spiritual awakening and how great it is and now you’re sitting here talking about how they are trying to screw us with NO existing proof of doing so and spreading it like its truth.
    This is the exact shit I’m talking about.
    Cut it out.

    That human sovereignty website is arrogant and bullshit. I’ve read that before.

    How are we going to have soverignty in our own solar system for ourselves where A) We don’t have said technology to explore it in multitudes nor the funding to build on a large scale. And let me lay some basic science on you. Do you think we have the capability or technology to navigate say..the asteroid belt?
    Good luck with humongous flying rocks going God knows how fast.
    B) Assuming these E.T.’s are here to benefit us and explain to us that they came to help us long ago and wish to embrace us again because we are now able to understand how we’re connected and then going “Yeah, kiss our ass. We don’t need you.”

    Cause everything has turned out so well with humanities decisions so far.
    These beings are helping to solidify a better future for us and all you can do is sit and think how they are trying to screw us over.

    You’re thinking from a human perspective and that person or whatever gave them a human-based agenda.
    They are of higher intelligence. They could probably have technology to produce many of these things for themselves without any need to have it mined.

    Also, they have said that with our ascension and a global unity we are going to be entered into The Galactic Federation who are obviously consisted of DIPLOMATS.

    So yeah, I would say it is fair to start involving ourselves with some things they would need our help with.
    Its called not being selfish, ungrateful jackwagons.
    I’m not saying that cause should be mining our own resources; thats pretty obvious not to our benefit and only to theirs.

    But if they say; we would a like few Earthen Representatives to join us at our Council and give a report of our involvement in your ascension and brief the Council on the current state of the world and if you would like to be hands on with certain Galactic endeavors.

    Thats the whole point of us being unified and at peace with each other.

    Do you not get it?

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  20. #20 Awakeandalive
    January 13, 2012 pm31 11:41 am

    Also since you don’t remember, they said it has been decreed by God that we are to ascend so we can become a part of that community.

    What are you going to do? Tell God no after he has sent us help?

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  21. #21 Norris
    January 13, 2012 pm31 11:54 am

    #20

    Ive got to admit that I did notice that ascension was not mentioned once in the book… Question

    Personally its just another thing to be considered amongst all the other things that I read and see. Im just going with the flow… All I know is Im ascending Grin

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  22. #22 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 12:05 pm

    A: “The other day you were talking about spiritual awakening and how great it is and now you’re sitting here talking about how they are trying to screw us with NO existing proof of doing so and spreading it like its truth.”

    V: My spiritual awakening doesn’t conflict with what I am saying. I’m still not feeling anger, still no fear, still no revenge – but I can recognize danger.

    A: “This is the exact shit I’m talking about.
    Cut it out.”
    V: Is that your love energy?

    A: “How are we going to have soverignty in our own solar system for ourselves where A) We don’t have said technology to explore it in multitudes nor the funding to build on a large scale.”
    V: It’s necessary to declare that we are independent and laws that we all agree upon. Than we are able to identify those who doesn’t wish our selfs good if they doesn’t respect our declaration. Without declaration – there is no borders. Anyone can do anything and it all can be accepted. So before we have physical independence – we have to declare it. It’s logical.
    In time we will posses necessary technologies and spirituality to make deals with other Galactic species and communities.

    A: “Assuming these E.T.’s are here to benefit us and explain to us that they came to help us long ago and wish to embrace us again because we are now able to understand how we’re connected and then going “Yeah, kiss our ass. We don’t need you.””
    V: There is value in independence – if you can’t see that it’s a problem. For example if I show the way to make paper plane to my son – he will always make the way I did it and not the other way. I than will be responsible for taking away his imagination of how to make paper plane. Yes it will take more time for him to figure out – but if he will do that than he will posses more knowledge and more value in his invention than in case when I showed him “the right way to make paper plane”. Do you see difference?
    This has to be seen in much larger scale – even the way our society should work should be re-invented by our self’s – ant not anyone else.

    A: “Cause everything has turned out so well with humanities decisions so far.”
    V: After 2012 21. December our earth is shifting from dark energy to love energy. It effects us all – that’s why we feel much better, calm, less fear, anger -etc. There is no connection with Light workers. So in these new conditions our species will make much better choices and solutions.

    A: “These beings are helping to solidify a better future for us and all you can do is sit and think how they are trying to screw us over.”
    V: I already explained my point with paper plane example.

    A: “You’re thinking from a human perspective and that person or whatever gave them a human-based agenda.
    They are of higher intelligence. They could probably have technology to produce many of these things for themselves without any need to have it mined.”
    V: It can be so or it can not be. None can prove anything.

    A: “Also, they have said that with our ascension and a global unity we are going to be entered into The Galactic Federation who are obviously consisted of DIPLOMATS.”
    V: They want to consolidate in their community and than we won’t be independent but will represent them in universe as one of the species from those many they have consolidated. It’s our choice do we want that. From what I understand you better see us part of greater community between other species and communities rather than develop independently and than represent our self as independent species. It’s our choice.

    A: “So yeah, I would say it is fair to start involving ourselves with some things they would need our help with.
    Its called not being selfish, ungrateful jackwagons.
    I’m not saying that cause should be mining our own resources; thats pretty obvious not to our benefit and only to theirs.”
    V: Well, I’m happy you acknowledge that it would not be in our interests to give away our biological resources.

    A: “But if they say; we would a like few Earthen Representatives to join us at our Council and give a report of our involvement in your ascension and brief the Council on the current state of the world and if you would like to be hands on with certain Galactic endeavors.

    Thats the whole point of us being unified and at peace with each other.”
    V: I’m not against diplomacy and that few people are representing us for reporting and exchanging some info. But if they want many people to be working as colony – I hope alarm bells will ring to you.

    A: “Do you not get it?”
    V: Yes, and do you?

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  23. #23 Awakeandalive
    January 13, 2012 pm31 12:14 pm

    The United States is part of the United Nations and we still have sovereignty?
    We don’t make laws based on their mandates; they are of our countries decision. Our independence is a given.

    If your son lacks the imagination to create a different paper plane after you’ve given him the basic schematics of doing so then that is because he lacks creativity and imagination and wouldn’t have say.. initiative if he doesn’t expand on your base model.

    Also, I’m pretty sure these light workers are human beings and that alone connects us. What of edgar cayce who spoke of the lost civilizations? Was he trying to be manipulative?

    How do you expect us represent ourselves as a planet when we can’t even manage diplomacy for ourselves between countries and understand we are human beings and should not fight with one another over pettiness. They are trying to remove some of those ideological barriers between us that cause alot of in-fighting by giving us the truth that has been hidden from us. We will stay a sovereign world, but we will just work for a common global goal.

    That isn’t a bad thing.

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  24. #24 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 12:21 pm

    A: “The United States is part of the United Nations and we still have sovereignty?
    We don’t make laws based on their mandates; they are of our countries decision. Our independence is a given.”
    V: Bad news for you but Obama invaded Libya with UN security council approval and didn’t went to congress what is said by US law system when congress approves declaration of war.

    A: “If your son lacks the imagination to create a different paper plane after you’ve given him the basic schematics of doing so then that is because he lacks creativity and imagination and I wouldn’t have say.. initiative if he doesn’t expand on your base model.”

    V: I guess you didn’t get the point what value is when something is given to you and what value is when you get it by your self. And that actually result can be even better.

    A: “How do you expect us represent ourselves as a planet when we can’t even manage diplomacy for ourselves between countries and understand we are human beings and should not fight with one another over pettiness. They are trying to remove some of those ideological barriers between us that cause alot of in-fighting by giving us the truth that has been hidden from us. We will stay a sovereign world, but we will just work for a common global goal. ”
    V: As I told before now earth will be in different conditions due to energy change and also, thanks to light workers, there won’t be dark ones lizard cabal. So, thank you for that and please respect our independence. But of course I’m not against working for common good as long as we are independent and they doesn’t mess with our freedom and choices we make.

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  25. #25 Awakeandalive
    January 13, 2012 pm31 12:31 pm

    Bad news for you; You’re not understanding that Obama usurping authority was not the U.N.’s decision.

    That was his and his alone. He is the leader of our country, they cannot make him enforce the laws here because that oversteps our sovereignty. And you have to remember, the U.N. could have said no. They are supposed to be the worlds mediator between countries.

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  26. #26 Awakeandalive
    January 13, 2012 pm31 12:32 pm

    But I said in another thread, I won’t argue this with you.

    You, like all of us will have to see for yourself.

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  27. #27 viedoklis_lv
    January 13, 2012 pm31 12:49 pm

    You are making wrong example – real situation is that Light workers represent U.S. (Their Community where different species are consolidated) and wants to bring in as another their state Mexico (Earth). So Mexico (Earth) will lose it’s independents in a large scale in order to be part of U.S. (Light workers community). But in U.N. (Whole universe where different kind of species and communities and independent species are trading each other) Mexico (Earth) as a independent state won’t be there anymore – it will be represented by U.S. (Light worker) government. Do you now see the situation I’m talking about?

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  28. #28 Deneb
    January 16, 2012 pm31 6:35 am

    Viedoklis, I respect your perspective but the one thing I don’t like is when you write things like in #14 : “You understand the situation, it’s good”. Why not write something like this instead: “On that I fully agree with you…” ? That way you don’t look like you are talking down to people.

    There have been several users on GM in the past who came here to tell everyone that they were sheep, naive or wrong about almost everything. It’s becoming annoying!

    No hard feelings, I enjoy your presence on this site!

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  29. #29 viedoklis_lv
    January 16, 2012 pm31 6:47 am

    I must apologize for such words that cause some one to feel bad. I must say that English is not my native language. I never want to feel arrogant – because it’s actually curse.
    As Gypsies say if they want someone really bad times – they say: “May you become arrogant!”

    Because than you are full of your ego that don’t see truth and you can be easily manipulated by your ego. What is eventually done.

    So again – I apologize if someone feel bad because of my words. I’ll try to learn better English. Just sometimes I’m tired and don’t want to work with my brain for better translation on English Smile

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  30. #30 Deneb
    January 16, 2012 pm31 9:08 pm

    #29 It’s all good viedoklis! I should have think about that possibility, my mistake.

    Like you, english is not my first language so I know what it is to struggle with words.

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